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 NJ cHAPTER 54 EXPIRED ?
AR_JACK  [Team Member]
11/26/2007 3:40:33 PM EST
This is the one with all the gun laws, names assault weapons by name and such

What does an expiration date mean? here's the link:
www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf
NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE
TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
AUTHORITY
N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1 et seq. and 2C:58-1 et seq.; as to N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.15, N.J.S.A. 47:1A-2 and Executive Order No. 9
(Gov. Richard J Hughes, September 30, 1963).
SOURCE AND EFFECTIVE DATE
R.2002 d.183, effective May 17, 2002. See: 34 N.J.R. 211(a), 34 N.J.R. 2136(a).
CHAPTER EXPIRATION DATE
Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, expires on May 17, 2007.

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sweetsourp0rk  [Member]
11/26/2007 3:46:15 PM EST
no way... cant be !
johnQpublik  [Member]
11/26/2007 3:54:12 PM EST
Someone may want to run this by Evan Nappen for confirmation. I seriously doubt they would allow this to expire, especially since this state continually violates the Bill of Rights. You all don't really believe this would be allowed to expire do ya?
FrankSquid  [Site Staff]
11/26/2007 3:56:06 PM EST
lmao

I read it that the NJ FID and pistol permit system has expired. Not to mention that all banned firearms are no longer banned!

AR_JACK  [Team Member]
11/26/2007 4:10:23 PM EST
you mean ya'll didn't get the memo from the governor?
Fishpaw  [Member]
11/26/2007 4:17:50 PM EST
huh? weve been sitting here for 6 months when all that time we could be buying all sorts of fun stuff?!?
FrankSquid  [Site Staff]
11/26/2007 4:22:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By johnQpublik:
Someone may want to run this by Evan Nappen for confirmation. I seriously doubt they would allow this to expire, especially since this state continually violates the Bill of Rights. You all don't really believe this would be allowed to expire do ya?


Hey, when I buy a lotto ticket, I don't expect to win but I still dream about winning!


* * *ahhh....no pistol permits needed to buy a hand gun in NJ....* * *
Wojo  [Team Member]
11/26/2007 5:49:20 PM EST
We need to find out what the status of this really is. I'm surprised Scott Bach hasn't mentioned this in his blog or mentioned from the NRA. I am waiting on a new NM AR and would love to be able to have a 20 rounder with it....I'd feel so naughty.
Bobby_the_Hun  [Life Member]
11/27/2007 1:11:26 AM EST
It means the Definitions of ammo, firearms, etc. will be re-written to suit Corzine & Company.


ckv  [Member]
11/27/2007 2:00:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By AR_JACK:
you mean ya'll didn't get the memo from the governor?[/
quote]

Get it right not governor but Chairman. You dont live in a state of the free you live in the peoples republic of NJ. The hammer slickle and stars will be the next state flag
Iggyort  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 3:40:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wojo:
We need to find out what the status of this really is. I'm surprised Scott Bach hasn't mentioned this in his blog or mentioned from the NRA. I am waiting on a new NM AR and would love to be able to have a 20 rounder with it....I'd feel so naughty.



I will call Scott around lunch time and get an opinion.


Iggyort
Wojo  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 3:52:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
It means the Definitions of ammo, firearms, etc. will be re-written to suit Corzine & Company.


This is what scares me the most. Just when Supreme Court might render a decision in the country's favor, we have the potential to take a giant leap backwards...so what else is new for us in this state? The Giants are the perfect football team to symbolize our state.

Thanks Iggy, I was going to shoot him an email as well, on this and something else.

We might as a group, should start contacting our state representatives on this one. I'll be drafting a letter later this week. I have mega-budget work to do for work before I can clear my head and draft a decent letter.
Iggyort  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 3:58:47 AM EST



E-mail sent !!!!


Iggyort
rkbar15  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 4:18:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR_JACK:
This is the one with all the gun laws, names assault weapons by name and such

What does an expiration date mean? here's the link:
www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf
NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE
TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
AUTHORITY
N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1 et seq. and 2C:58-1 et seq.; as to N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.15, N.J.S.A. 47:1A-2 and Executive Order No. 9
(Gov. Richard J Hughes, September 30, 1963).
SOURCE AND EFFECTIVE DATE
R.2002 d.183, effective May 17, 2002. See: 34 N.J.R. 211(a), 34 N.J.R. 2136(a).
CHAPTER EXPIRATION DATE
Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, expires on May 17, 2007.



I don't believe the above expiration is correct. BTW, NJ is wacky the way they do things!

It also looks like the section is being amended/rewritten. I couldn't find where the proposed rules were adopted though.

http://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases07/pr20070703c.html
http://www.njsp.org/news/ruleproposals.html
http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf

http://www.michie.com/newjersey/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=

Title 13, Chapter 54 -- Chapter Notes

CHAPTER SOURCE AND EFFECTIVE DATE:

R.2002 d.183, effective May 17, 2002.

See: 34 N.J.R. 211(a), 34 N.J.R. 2136(a).

CHAPTER EXPIRATION DATE:

In accordance with N.J.S.A. 52:14B-5.1c, Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, expires on November 13, 2007. See: 39 N.J.R. 2324(a).









jonjsse1  [Member]
11/27/2007 6:10:59 AM EST
well, what is N.J.S.A. 52:14B-5.1c, because in accordance with THAT, it expires on november 13, 2007.. ie 2 weeks ago.
M1-Matt  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 7:49:38 AM EST
Tag
LUGERMAN  [Member]
11/27/2007 8:32:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By jonjsse1:
well, what is N.J.S.A. 52:14B-5.1c, because in accordance with THAT, it expires on november 13, 2007.. ie 2 weeks ago.


Well whatever it is it won't be good. That you can take to the bank.
Iggyort  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 8:56:47 AM EST


Answer from a "Reliable Source"


Technically - YES

However there are provisions in the NJ Code for this eventually.

Since this is NJ, to prevent any hanky-panky the new code is being monitored until it is formally adopted



Hope it helps

Iggyort
jonjsse1  [Member]
11/27/2007 9:44:40 AM EST
what do you mean "monitored", so, are the old laws still being followed, for instance, when you call for a nics check, will they still ask for an FID?
Iggyort  [Team Member]
11/27/2007 9:51:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By jonjsse1:
what do you mean "monitored", so, are the old laws still being followed, for instance, when you call for a nics check, will they still ask for an FID?





Yes all laws apply, Sorry

Same as before, no changes !!!


To prevent anyone from putting something that would be harmful to us, it is being "monitored"

Iggyort
sweetsourp0rk  [Member]
11/27/2007 2:13:09 PM EST
so basically they are enforcing laws that have expired cus they feel like it?
GoingIncognito  [Team Member]
11/28/2007 11:27:58 AM EST
njJoniGuy  [Team Member]
12/1/2007 4:47:54 AM EST
I'm surprised this one fell to the bottom of page 2.

Has anyone heard back from Scott Bach or Evan Nappen?
Wojo  [Team Member]
12/1/2007 7:42:32 AM EST
The November date was the anniversary of the Brady Bill being signed by Clinton. I just a piece on the MSM the other day.

I'm surprised that we haven't gotten ANY emails from the NRA or any updates on Scott Boch's blog bringing attention to this. Once again, the NRA probably looks at us in NJ as a lost cause. Every time they call me for more money, I always ask what are they doing for us in NJ? No answer, they don't get any additional money. My dues, occasional extra funds and I participate in Midway's Round-Up program, but screw that hitting me for an extra $50 so you can ignore our plight here in PRNJ.
Jetlag  [Life Member]
12/5/2007 2:13:11 PM EST
So expired doesn't really mean expired? Just some process thing? Anyone got any insight?
johnQpublik  [Member]
12/5/2007 3:00:05 PM EST
This is New Jersey people. Nothing here ever expires or gets repealed. The shit only gets thicker and higher. Be careful who's attention you bring this to, for the State will have a field day "reviewing" this and making the usual "necessary" adjustments for our own safety.
babbaboey  [Member]
12/13/2007 8:33:47 PM EST
so any new info im still confused..
raysheen  [Member]
12/14/2007 2:51:57 AM EST
Doesn't NJ have some sort of equivalent to the NYSRPA that should be on top of this...or at least explaining it?
Iggyort  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 10:33:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By raysheen:
Doesn't NJ have some sort of equivalent to the NYSRPA that should be on top of this...or at least explaining it?


Yes and they are on it !!!!

Iggyort


ANJRPC


scatterbrains  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 10:47:42 AM EST
e mails sent, like itll do any good in this state but alas they've been sent.
njJoniGuy  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 11:50:37 AM EST
It looks like we're in for a world of shit this coming Monday guys:

Three Anti-Gun Bills Looming Over New Jersey!
Please Contact the Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans’ Affairs Committee Today!

On Monday, December 17, at 10:00 a.m., the New Jersey Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans’ Affairs Committee is scheduled to consider three bills that impact law-abiding gun owners. Please immediately contact the members of that committee and urge them to OPPOSE or AMEND the following legislation:

S2470 - This bill would criminalize the transfer of ammunition to anyone who does not have a valid New Jersey firearms ID card, handgun carry or purchase permit, or hunting license. While intended to prevent criminals from obtaining ammunition, the legislation would only impact honest gun owners, since criminals are unlikely to purchase ammunition in New Jersey because of the mandatory reporting of all ammunition sales as required by state law. This bill should be defeated or amended so as not to affect law-abiding citizens. Please urge the committee to oppose this legislation!

S2934 - This bill would make honest gun owners responsible for the acts of criminals if they fail to “immediately” report the theft or loss of a firearm that is later used in a crime. Styled as legislation requiring the reporting of stolen or lost firearms, the legislation would hold victims of theft responsible for the acts of criminals. Possible amendments to this bill are under consideration. Please urge the committee to oppose or amend this bill.

S2431 - This bill is an overly broad attempt to address gang violence that could have unintended consequences for honest gun owners. Among other things, it would criminalize and severely punish the mere possession of certain firearms, including registered handguns, even while engaged in lawful activities. As originally drafted, the bill puts law-abiding gun owners at risk of a potential 10-year prison sentence and a $150,000 fine. Please urge the committee to oppose or amend the bill to protect honest gun owners.

State Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans' Affairs

State Senator John Girgenti (D-35), Chairman
(973) 427-1229
SenGirgenti@njleg.org

State Senator Paul Sarlo (D-36), Vice-Chair
(201) 804-8118
SenSarlo@njleg.org

State Senator Anthony Bucco (R-25)
(973) 627-9700
SenBucco@njleg.org

State Senator Peter Inverso (R-14)
(609) 586-1330
SenInverso@njleg.org

State Senator Nicholas Sacco (D-32)
(201) 295-0200
SenSacco@njleg.org
babbaboey  [Member]
12/14/2007 12:25:05 PM EST
well those laws do suck but my qustion still is..Whats the deal do we need a fid card to buy a rifle or will a nj dl do..whats the score with this mess..ive searched and called and cant get a straight answer..
sweetsourp0rk  [Member]
12/14/2007 12:35:37 PM EST
uhh u need a fid to buy a rifle, handgun, and even ammo if u buy it at a nj gun store.
njJoniGuy  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 1:14:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:
uhh u need a fid to buy a rifle, handgun, and even ammo if u buy it at a nj gun store.


NO NO NO NO NO
If a NJ store refuses to sell you ammo without producing a FID, it's not because of the law.
They might THINK it's the law, but IT'S NOT (at least not yet.)
njJoniGuy  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 1:24:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By babbaboey:
well those laws do suck but my qustion still is..Whats the deal do we need a fid card to buy a rifle or will a nj dl do..whats the score with this mess..ive searched and called and cant get a straight answer..


The only straight thing you'll get from Mistress Ann (our current AG) is likely to be about a foot long with strips of leather hanging from the protruding end as "her boys" with the Sam Browne belts hold you down and treat you like a Rider coed.

I suspect that if the laws have really expired, there is a super secret session of power hungry lawmakers cooking up newer, more restrictive laws to keep us in check. Watch for developments before this legislative session ends in a couple of weeks.
Wojo  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 3:29:02 PM EST
Ain't that the truth.

The only saving grace if Hillary gets elected, is that Corzine is ready to jump into her cabinet. Wait until he finds out that they are men haters.
RONINBUDO  [Team Member]
12/14/2007 8:25:30 PM EST
only saving grace is court when ther hear the DC hand gun band i pray it goes our way
if not move to FL
odjoe  [Team Member]
12/15/2007 3:58:48 AM EST
email sent to all
sweetsourp0rk  [Member]
12/15/2007 3:32:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:
uhh u need a fid to buy a rifle, handgun, and even ammo if u buy it at a nj gun store.


NO NO NO NO NO
If a NJ store refuses to sell you ammo without producing a FID, it's not because of the law.
They might THINK it's the law, but IT'S NOT (at least not yet.)



wow for real, the few times i actually bought ammo at a gun store here they always asked for the id and wrote all the info down... a-holes
njJoniGuy  [Team Member]
12/15/2007 3:50:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:
uhh u need a fid to buy a rifle, handgun, and even ammo if u buy it at a nj gun store.


NO NO NO NO NO
If a NJ store refuses to sell you ammo without producing a FID, it's not because of the law.
They might THINK it's the law, but IT'S NOT (at least not yet.)



wow for real, the few times i actually bought ammo at a gun store here they always asked for the id and wrote all the info down... a-holes


If you're buying PISTOL AMMO, your ID gets recorded in their book. But a NJ FID is not required (yet), just proof that you are 21 or over.
M1-Matt  [Team Member]
12/16/2007 7:33:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:

Originally Posted By sweetsourp0rk:
uhh u need a fid to buy a rifle, handgun, and even ammo if u buy it at a nj gun store.


NO NO NO NO NO
If a NJ store refuses to sell you ammo without producing a FID, it's not because of the law.
They might THINK it's the law, but IT'S NOT (at least not yet.)



wow for real, the few times i actually bought ammo at a gun store here they always asked for the id and wrote all the info down... a-holes


If you're buying PISTOL AMMO, your ID gets recorded in their book. But a NJ FID is not required (yet), just proof that you are 21 or over.


And Hollow Point
arbob  [Life Member]
12/16/2007 11:09:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:
It looks like we're in for a world of shit this coming Monday guys:

Three Anti-Gun Bills Looming Over New Jersey!
Please Contact the Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans’ Affairs Committee Today!

On Monday, December 17, at 10:00 a.m., the New Jersey Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans’ Affairs Committee is scheduled to consider three bills that impact law-abiding gun owners. Please immediately contact the members of that committee and urge them to OPPOSE or AMEND the following legislation:

S2470 - This bill would criminalize the transfer of ammunition to anyone who does not have a valid New Jersey firearms ID card, handgun carry or purchase permit, or hunting license. While intended to prevent criminals from obtaining ammunition, the legislation would only impact honest gun owners, since criminals are unlikely to purchase ammunition in New Jersey because of the mandatory reporting of all ammunition sales as required by state law. This bill should be defeated or amended so as not to affect law-abiding citizens. Please urge the committee to oppose this legislation!

S2934 - This bill would make honest gun owners responsible for the acts of criminals if they fail to “immediately” report the theft or loss of a firearm that is later used in a crime. Styled as legislation requiring the reporting of stolen or lost firearms, the legislation would hold victims of theft responsible for the acts of criminals. Possible amendments to this bill are under consideration. Please urge the committee to oppose or amend this bill.

S2431 - This bill is an overly broad attempt to address gang violence that could have unintended consequences for honest gun owners. Among other things, it would criminalize and severely punish the mere possession of certain firearms, including registered handguns, even while engaged in lawful activities. As originally drafted, the bill puts law-abiding gun owners at risk of a potential 10-year prison sentence and a $150,000 fine. Please urge the committee to oppose or amend the bill to protect honest gun owners.

State Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans' Affairs

State Senator John Girgenti (D-35), Chairman
(973) 427-1229
SenGirgenti@njleg.org

State Senator Paul Sarlo (D-36), Vice-Chair
(201) 804-8118
SenSarlo@njleg.org

State Senator Anthony Bucco (R-25)
(973) 627-9700
SenBucco@njleg.org

State Senator Peter Inverso (R-14)
(609) 586-1330
SenInverso@njleg.org

State Senator Nicholas Sacco (D-32)
(201) 295-0200
SenSacco@njleg.org



E-Mail sent!, Let`s hope it does some good.
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