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 Bellator Arms 89K Pistol 9mm
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/20/2011 2:50:16 AM EST
Bellator Arms SP89 K Style Pistol 9 mm semi auto , these pistols are a quality copy of the famous HK SP89 pistols .We jsut got in a shipment of these last week and semi auto testing has been smooth as silk we will be installing a NFA full auto sear pack today and torture testing in full auto !!

The feature the following

Original German style design
Roller lock operation
Plastic Navy style lower
Limited recoil
Non fluted barrel great for reloaded ammo
Great for NFA Full Auto Sear owners as a host gun
Durable baked black finish
Weight 4 .55 pounds
Length 12.50 inches
Five Year factory warranty
Comes with 2 mags 1 HK Original Factory mag & 1 aftermarket mag

Please note these pistols work best with Original HK Factory curved mags due to the wide varity of aftermarket mags of various quality we only suggest using original HK mags with the pistol . The BA89 is built to tight specifications and we can not guarantee that low quality aftermarket mags will function properly with the pistol .

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ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/20/2011 2:51:44 AM EST
peekay  [Team Member]
9/20/2011 4:21:22 AM EST
Is there a close up of the magwell? I'm curious if this is another TB rename.

ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/20/2011 4:38:01 AM EST
They are Bellator Arms and not owned by Todd however Todd does supply some of the parts for the guns as he does most of the US HK clone industry.

Spade  [Member]
9/20/2011 5:48:18 AM EST
$1k?

Hmmmm.
Dawg180  [Team Member]
9/20/2011 8:52:39 AM EST
Does it have a 3 lug or threaded muzzle, or is it a "blunt" muzzle like the MKE guns?

Full auto carrier?

Did you happen to try HK straight mags in it? I take it your testing showed it was not reliable with aftermarket mags....
ag04blast  [Member]
9/20/2011 8:59:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.
Skillshot  [Team Member]
9/20/2011 9:06:42 AM EST
Very interested to see the muzzle. If it can't be silenced I'm not interested.
Spade  [Member]
9/20/2011 10:14:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.


I wasn't disappointed. You're never going to find any HK clone in that range. $1k would make it the lowest priced of the HK clones.
NorthStaR209  [Member]
9/20/2011 11:35:43 AM EST
Are the FA carriers tungston filled? I read a review on another board that they weren't. When you say TB supply's parts, is that all internals and receiver? So basically same deal as a Bobcat clone/Turn fab where they build the guns but essentially it's a coharie/SW parts guns? Just curious, thanks.
Dawg180  [Team Member]
9/20/2011 12:53:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.


$600? For an HK clone? I completely agree that HK guns are overpriced for what they are, but anything under $1200 is a freakin' steal with the HK/HK clone market the way it is.

lilMAC25  [Member]
9/20/2011 1:33:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By NorthStaR209:
Are the FA carriers tungston filled? I read a review on another board that they weren't. When you say TB supply's parts, is that all internals and receiver? So basically same deal as a Bobcat clone/Turn fab where they build the guns but essentially it's a coharie/SW parts guns? Just curious, thanks.


Not to contradict the guy selling the item, but various people have told me that "a rose by any name, is still a rose."
NorthStaR209  [Member]
9/20/2011 2:08:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.


$600? For an HK clone? I completely agree that HK guns are overpriced for what they are, but anything under $1200 is a freakin' steal with the HK/HK clone market the way it is.



I agree, with ATI/MKE done the only used clone in town for that price is a Coharie/BobCat/Turner(All Todd Baily parts). Dakota and Parabellum are custom builders using HK parts that are into the 3g area. Wonder if they'll offer up any other clones. I'm real curious as to all parts are US made or some?
NorthStaR209  [Member]
9/20/2011 2:12:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.


Thats crazy, Black Market sells their stripped barreled receivers for that. For $600, roller locked Sub gun clones are out for you, CIA is the only company offering a roller locked gun at that price(33).
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/20/2011 2:39:44 PM EST
If you wanted to use a sear you would need to get a full auto bolt carrier with the proper cut . We shot the gun some today it defiantly works best with HK mags the ATI mags were hit or miss . Thus far it is a nice gun for the money but obviously not as nice as the $2500.00 custom builds with all HK parts .
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/20/2011 3:44:53 PM EST
They do not have a 3 lug barrel or threads at this time so no supressors the bolt is not tungsten filled .The pistols are aimed at being affodable and do not offer every bell & whistle if so they would cost substantially more . They may not be for every customer but we are happy to see another Option for our MP5 customers .
fivepointoh  [Team Member]
9/20/2011 8:44:07 PM EST
Emailed with Blaine tonight...I'm pretty sure I'll be picking one of these up. W/ that said, a review might have to hold off. Don't know when I'll be able to get to the range if I do get it. But I'm going to try to go to the range right after the transfer is complete...pending I get it. Then I'll post pics and a review. Just glad we have honest suppliers/sellers around here that tell it like it is. And not just say everything is perfect/flawless with the products they're pushing.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/21/2011 1:38:09 AM EST
We will have a You Tube video posted later today that will give you a better Virtual look at the pistols fit n finish and we will also show the unit running in full auto . We would not call the pistol flawless at this point but would say it is a nice unit for the money and are glad to have these available.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/21/2011 4:53:55 AM EST

Please check out this You Tube Virtual Gun Store Video


Vinesr6  [Team Member]
9/21/2011 5:35:09 AM EST
I may have to consider this one, if my MKE K search goes bust...
fivepointoh  [Team Member]
9/21/2011 8:43:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:

Please check out this You Tube Virtual Gun Store Video


http://youtu.be/207J18uthmY

ag04blast  [Member]
9/21/2011 1:42:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By NorthStaR209:
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
Originally Posted By Spade:
$1k?

Hmmmm.


Yeah, same here....went to check the price and was disappointed. Was hoping for the $6-700 range.


Thats crazy, Black Market sells their stripped barreled receivers for that. For $600, roller locked Sub gun clones are out for you, CIA is the only company offering a roller locked gun at that price(33).


Thanks for the info, a little more research and I see that this is a quality piece and my interest is renewed.
ccosby  [Team Member]
9/21/2011 2:34:40 PM EST
Looks interesting. Any chance they plan on making a hk94 sized one in pistol form? I'd love a host for a mp5 sbr clone.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/22/2011 5:04:59 AM EST
We hope to be offering a Bellator MP5 Rifle & full sized pitol in the first half of 2012 the exact details & specs are research phase at this time . Bellator is trying to bring to market a decent quality & cost effective HK Style platform .
ccosby  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 11:32:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
We hope to be offering a Bellator MP5 Rifle & full sized pitol in the first half of 2012 the exact details & specs are research phase at this time . Bellator is trying to bring to market a decent quality & cost effective HK Style platform .


Nice. I'd love a mp5 clone and just have no intention on buying an hk one at the price they sell for. If these come up as a good product for around the price of the 89k I can see it being a good start to an sbr.
strikeone  [Member]
9/22/2011 6:28:12 PM EST
Is the carrier cast or billet? Is the bolt head and extractor mimed or billet. You might be selling these cheap because they are cheap. I hate to have to spend more money replacing a bad bolt group after buying it. If Todd Bailey has anything to do with it I'm going to pass. Just because of bad history with the guy.
NorthStaR209  [Member]
9/22/2011 9:05:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By strikeone:
Is the carrier cast or billet? Is the bolt head and extractor mimed or billet. You might be selling these cheap because they are cheap. I hate to have to spend more money replacing a bad bolt group after buying it. If Todd Bailey has anything to do with it I'm going to pass. Just because of bad history with the guy.


The carrier and extracter are steel, not mim and surely not billet. I dont own a Todd B. special as I built my own, dispite his rep his clones are on spot now from what I heard. Don't be so quick to shit on this new company.
myitinaw  [Life Member]
9/22/2011 10:13:48 PM EST
me likey






scatterbrains  [Member]
9/23/2011 7:55:27 AM EST
Oh please make the rifles available with a 10 rd mag !!! please..........
strikeone  [Member]
9/23/2011 1:12:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By NorthStaR209:
Originally Posted By strikeone:
Is the carrier cast or billet? Is the bolt head and extractor mimed or billet. You might be selling these cheap because they are cheap. I hate to have to spend more money replacing a bad bolt group after buying it. If Todd Bailey has anything to do with it I'm going to pass. Just because of bad history with the guy.


The carrier and extracter are steel, not mim and surely not billet. I dont own a Todd B. special as I built my own, dispite his rep his clones are on spot now from what I heard. Don't be so quick to shit on this new company.


Of course they are steel! Based on you answer you must not know the difference between cast, mimed or billet OR TB
NorthStaR209  [Member]
9/23/2011 3:07:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By strikeone:
Originally Posted By NorthStaR209:
Originally Posted By strikeone:
Is the carrier cast or billet? Is the bolt head and extractor mimed or billet. You might be selling these cheap because they are cheap. I hate to have to spend more money replacing a bad bolt group after buying it. If Todd Bailey has anything to do with it I'm going to pass. Just because of bad history with the guy.


The carrier and extracter are steel, not mim and surely not billet. I dont own a Todd B. special as I built my own, dispite his rep his clones are on spot now from what I heard. Don't be so quick to shit on this new company.


Of course they are steel! Based on you answer you must not know the difference between cast, mimed or billet OR TB


I could've worded it better. Looking at the HK parts and knowing as much about steel as you do you show know that 2 of those 3 processes are out. The carrier is a two piece carrier thats welded, mim is almost just like cast. It's pretty clear by looking at the carrier that it's machined bar stock, not mim or cast. Cast cant be welded(well it can to an extent, but have you tried it? Not easy) and mim leaves flashing also as well as deformities. I fabricate so I know a little about steel, maybe not as much as you, but I can identify the process used by looking at steel parts as anyone should be able to bc of distinct differences.
strikeone  [Member]
9/23/2011 5:43:46 PM EST
The reason I asked in the first place is I have not seen any of the internalas at all. SO who has the answers to the questions on the parts. I'm not dissen the gun just who is associated with the parts. If they step up and loose the piss poor parts they have been installing on past guns and went with billet machined and properly heat treated parts then we have a winner. Thats All Folks!
ccosby  [Team Member]
9/25/2011 2:53:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
They are Bellator Arms and not owned by Todd however Todd does supply some of the parts for the guns as he does most of the US HK clone industry.



How close to Todd are they? I ask because of the below.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nonnfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=5248&query=retrieval

Edit: The domain bellatorarms.com being registered via a real cheap webhost listing its own info for whois is a little weird as well but for a smaller shop I guess I can see it.
NorthStaR209  [Team Member]
9/25/2011 4:04:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By ccosby:
Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
They are Bellator Arms and not owned by Todd however Todd does supply some of the parts for the guns as he does most of the US HK clone industry.



How close to Todd are they? I ask because of the below.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nonnfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=5248&query=retrieval

Edit: The domain bellatorarms.com being registered via a real cheap webhost listing its own info for whois is a little weird as well but for a smaller shop I guess I can see it.


That product listing describes the bellator the same way TB writes out the descriptions for his barreled uppers plus being sold by him? He's had so many company name changes that I wouldn't be surprised, good catch ccosby.
ccosby  [Team Member]
9/25/2011 5:11:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By NorthStaR209:
Originally Posted By ccosby:
Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
They are Bellator Arms and not owned by Todd however Todd does supply some of the parts for the guns as he does most of the US HK clone industry.



How close to Todd are they? I ask because of the below.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nonnfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=5248&query=retrieval

Edit: The domain bellatorarms.com being registered via a real cheap webhost listing its own info for whois is a little weird as well but for a smaller shop I guess I can see it.


That product listing describes the bellator the same way TB writes out the descriptions for his barreled uppers plus being sold by him? He's had so many company name changes that I wouldn't be surprised, good catch ccosby.


There is a gunbroker auction to look at too.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=252454986

Says the upper is made by Cohaire arms and they then use some hk trigger parts. I don't like how this is looking. Sucks as I'd love a mp5 stile weapon that isn't going to be hit or miss.

Edit:

http://www.coharie-arms.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=76
Dawg180  [Team Member]
9/25/2011 6:30:37 PM EST
People can claim they are a separate company, but they are in bed together in some close relationship.

Not saying the guns don't run, but at this point anyone who looks at a "new company making MP5 clones" with Todd Bailey parts made in Arizona and being sold by one of Todd Baileys many sister businesses (twta on gunbroker is Special Weapons/Cohaire/one of those- Hell they list his wife Wendy Bailey as the person to make payment out to..., Black Market Parts is another) and doesn't think there is a closer relationship than just one business using another business's parts, well, "don't piss on my back and tell me it is raining"
NorthStaR209  [Team Member]
9/25/2011 6:50:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
People can claim they are a separate company, but they are in bed together in some close relationship.

Not saying the guns don't run, but at this point anyone who looks at a "new company making MP5 clones" with Todd Bailey parts made in Arizona and being sold by one of Todd Baileys many sister businesses (twta on gunbroker is Special Weapons/Cohaire/one of those- Hell they list his wife Wendy Bailey as the person to make payment out to..., Black Market Parts is another) and doesn't think there is a closer relationship than just one business using another business's parts, well, "don't piss on my back and tell me it is raining"


Your right, I picked up a couple random A3 stock pieces from that gunbroker name and it was through Mrs. wendy. That Todd Baily's a sneaky man.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/26/2011 1:51:31 AM EST
Bellator Arms is not owned or operated by Todd Bailey however some of the parts for the gun are supplied by his firm and he is also a authorized seller of the Bellator pistols .Todd supplies a large portion of HK type parts for various companys that build US clones .
rookie421  [Member]
9/26/2011 6:15:56 AM EST
What can you tell us about this new company?
I looked them up online and the only thing on there website is a login for distributors.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
9/26/2011 4:33:49 PM EST
There is nothing dramatic to tell about the company they are new & starting to build clones and are offering the K pistols . They are planning on offering full sized pistols and rifles in the future . It is no secret that they are using some components supplied by Black Market Parts since they are a source for reasonably priced MP5 parts . These guns may not be for everybody taste but we are happy to see another offering in the HK Clone menu and hope the company grows to offer a wider selection.
SigP220guy  [Member]
10/1/2011 11:34:34 AM EST
Black Market is now offering the same gun:

http://www.black-market-parts.com/BA89K_p_388.html

Interesting...
rockasons  [Member]
10/2/2011 5:15:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By SigP220guy:
Black Market is now offering the same gun:

http://www.black-market-parts.com/BA89K_p_388.html

Interesting...


If you read the above post, it indicates that Todd Bailey is an authorized seller for these pistols. Nothing new.
NorthStaR209  [Team Member]
10/2/2011 8:27:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By rockasons:
Originally Posted By SigP220guy:
Black Market is now offering the same gun:

http://www.black-market-parts.com/BA89K_p_388.html

Interesting...


If you read the above post, it indicates that Todd Bailey is an authorized seller for these pistols. Nothing new.


Actually, he's building them for Bellator.
sandman1212  [Member]
10/2/2011 9:07:53 AM EST
My buddy was looking at one of these as a host, he said he will wait for the reviews.
har1340  [Member]
10/3/2011 2:23:44 PM EST
Any way to bring one in to Connecticut? I do own an HK sear...
01SVTSnake  [Team Member]
10/3/2011 8:10:54 PM EST
Heres my video with a BA89k and a sear pack.
Quake_Guy  [Member]
10/6/2011 11:03:02 PM EST
why chop the barrel at the sight block, if it was sticking out far enough at least you could have it threaded for a 3 lug adapter. As it sits now, another $400 plus parts and labor to get a 3 lug on it.
NorthStaR209  [Team Member]
10/7/2011 3:51:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By Quake_Guy:
why chop the barrel at the sight block, if it was sticking out far enough at least you could have it threaded for a 3 lug adapter. As it sits now, another $400 plus parts and labor to get a 3 lug on it.


The barrels like that to be a copy of the SP89. A MP5k set up would be more desirable though.
MTSNIPER  [Member]
10/29/2011 7:11:01 AM EST
I believe they use ALOT of TB parts and do not have paddle release or 3 lug barrel.
ATLANTIC-FIREARMS  [Industry Partner]
10/30/2011 3:26:38 AM EST
These pistols are designed to be affordable and do not sport every bell & whistle so no 3 lug & no paddle . We may see upgraded units in future offerings but these will be at higher price . We are working with Bellator to expand the product line in the future and hope to see full sized MP5 pistols & rifles in 2012 .
MoNkEyTurbo  [Member]
10/30/2011 4:47:07 PM EST
Any in stock?

Some one mentioned a arfcom discount, is that the case?

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