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 M1A flash hider
Ridgeline  [Member]
1/3/2011 11:06:34 AM
Looking to replace the flash hider on my Springfield M1a and Squad scout.

I see the two main options I see are the Vortex and the Phantom.

I see that the Phantom is cheap but is also in the closeout section on YHM's web site.

Is there a problem with the Phantom or is the Vortex just that much better?
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SteelonSteel  [Member]
1/3/2011 11:34:27 AM
go over to the firing line (the M14 site) and look for the videos of the flash hiders in action in the dark.

The GI style really isn't bad but the vortex is quite good.

ETA- Sorry I can't find the posts over there. I was going to post a link but apparently those vids are gone. Apparently a lot of stuff is gone over there as there have been some guys that pulled out of the forum and took their stuff with them.

I have the vortex with standard type sight mount on my 18" M14. It does a very good job.

Sorry i have no input on the phantom.
BASE  [Member]
1/3/2011 11:48:25 AM
There's no problem with the phantom. It works just as well but a lot of folks don't like the looks of it. I've seen them both fired side by side at night and the phantom works great. Both are an improvement over the GI device. I don't own a phantom with the M14 sight base built in, so I can't speak for that part of it.

You might look at the delta-p adapter as well. It opens up a lot of other options but will cost you more.
Ridgeline  [Member]
1/3/2011 10:16:37 PM
A lot of info . Thanks for the push in the right direction.
Different  [Member]
1/4/2011 7:21:41 AM
Some buddies and I tested the USGI flash suppressor, NM flash suppressor, Phantom, Vortex, SA, Inc. muzzle brake at night using Portugeses surplus. Except for the SA, Inc. muzzle brake, they all did well at suppressing the flash signature. From what I saw, the Vortex did the best job of hiding the flash. The Phantom was next then the USGI flash suppressor.
SteelonSteel  [Member]
1/4/2011 8:57:21 PM
Originally Posted By Different:
Some buddies and I tested the USGI flash suppressor, NM flash suppressor, Phantom, Vortex, SA, Inc. muzzle brake at night using Portugeses surplus. Except for the SA, Inc. muzzle brake, they all did well at suppressing the flash signature. From what I saw, the Vortex did the best job of hiding the flash. The Phantom was next then the USGI flash suppressor.


Maybe they were your photos or vids over on the other side? I couldn't find them with the search function. Anyways the photos were worth a thousand words.
Ridgeline  [Member]
1/5/2011 7:51:07 PM
On my Ar15's the Vortex wins hands down. The Phantom is no slouch either but 7.62 is not 5.56. I guess my main question is why the Phantoms are being closed out? Hell, for the price i would give up some flash suppression.........
stevelish  [Member]
1/6/2011 7:11:37 PM
Also, if you get the correct Vortex, you can get the matching quick connect suppressor.
madmanblake  [Member]
1/6/2011 9:05:30 PM
Don't forget the Smith Coast Guard brake.
boricua9mm  [Member]
1/7/2011 4:02:07 PM

Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
On my Ar15's the Vortex wins hands down. The Phantom is no slouch either but 7.62 is not 5.56. I guess my main question is why the Phantoms are being closed out? Hell, for the price i would give up some flash suppression.........


I don't think the YHM M14 Phantom is popular because the sight base portion is a separate piece that clamps on with a screw. With the Vortex, it is a single integrated unit.

Now, if you are running a Gas Lock Front Sight, then this might be a moot point.
Ridgeline  [Member]
1/8/2011 12:39:33 AM
Ah yes, I see now. I thought that was a bit of an odd way to do it.

Since I am not interested in suppressing the rifle any time soon, I think I will go with the regular Vortex.

Thanks for all the info.
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