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 Is the verdict in on Hornady 75 grain match bullets (224)?
toki  [Member]
9/3/2012 8:53:39 PM
I have seen a fair number of posts around the internet claiming that the Hornady 75gn match 224 bullet suffers from inconsistencies in weight among other things that leads to it being a limiting factor in accuracy.

Have you all found this generally to be the case? Is the 77smk unquestionably a better bullet?
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cchurchi  [Team Member]
9/3/2012 9:35:52 PM
I hope that is not the case - I ordered 1300 yesterday.
Dogue  [Team Member]
9/3/2012 10:26:07 PM
I think that for the money the Hornady bullet is fine, especially for shooting in a semiauto.
We-rBorg  [Member]
9/3/2012 10:28:31 PM
In the past (98' 99) Hornady bullets were known as Cracker Jack bullets,, a supprise in every box.
As of 2002, Hornady re-vamped their methods/production/thickness of jacket.
I went dinguished with them in 08', but the rumor still pops up once in a while.
While that talk about the one brand being made better, holding weight/length, they both have their ups and downs. I've seen SMKs with as much as +- .020 difference in length, the Hornadys do about the same.
Some people still say they aren't as good as SMKs, but they may be subconsiously pulling the round, you know how that works.
You'll be fine with the Hornadys
countrygunner  [Team Member]
9/3/2012 10:29:20 PM
I weighed a 100 of them the other day and they were 75.1-75.2 or there abouts. Pretty consistant compared to a lot of others. For the most part the tip is also very consistant in shape and not
all mashed up like on some OTM type bullets.
RegionRat  [Team Member]
9/3/2012 10:29:25 PM
Is the 77 SMK a better bullet? I will not answer yes or no, but I will point out the number of serious match shooters who run the top scores using them.

Any specific chamber and rifling may do better with one or another, it just seems that statistics favor the 77SMK. They do cost more too.
Hawcer  [Member]
9/3/2012 10:35:39 PM
Let me let you in on a little secret.....




























































































75gr AMAX
We-rBorg  [Member]
9/3/2012 10:37:22 PM
A lot of top HP shooters are switching over to Hornadys.
Like I said, early on Hornady DID have a problem with their bullets, but that corrected years ago.
Sometimes old dogs learn new tricks, sometimes they don't.
TimpAR  [Member]
9/3/2012 10:45:03 PM
I can only speak from my own experience, and in my rifles, the SMK 77s and Nosler 77s shoot only slightly better than the Hornady 75 HPBTs.

For the money, the Hornadys are one of the best values in heavy bullets.
gee223  [Member]
9/4/2012 12:56:21 AM
I only shoot the Hornadys, however I'm a relative newb and haven't shot past 100 yards with them. I also haven't tried others due to price so my opinion is basically worthless. However I like them after actually sampling them which makes my opinion more valid than the average Obama lover's.
Trollslayer  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 2:03:33 AM
Originally Posted By toki:
I have seen a fair number of posts around the internet claiming that the Hornady 75gn match 224 bullet suffers from inconsistencies in weight among other things that leads to it being a limiting factor in accuracy.



It's total hogwash. It's a really good bullet. At the shorter ranges I've tested them at (<300 yards), they shoot as well as I am able to point them (~1/2 MOA).

I wonder if they were actually referring to the Widener's 75 gr Mil Spec bullet. That's the bullet that seems to have a greater weight variation.

Is the SMK better? They may offer some advantage over the 75 Hornady but I don't use them due to their higher cost. When I want to "go long", I use the 80 SMK.
dnmccoy  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 7:59:07 AM
Ive been using them lately at 200 and 300 and love them! My offhand scores have been trending up

I have not noticed a weight variation with the lot i have, but I have read online about people complaining. Way I look at it, they can bitch about it, Ill keeo buying them all day :)

Get a Lb of R15, start around 23.5 and work up. I believe max is 24.1. Mine are at 24gr, 2.25OAL
AR-180  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 8:50:04 AM
I use them and the Nosler 77s. They score the same. I use with 24 of Varget.

For HP, my Master card should be on the way.
TXN_Infidel  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 1:14:27 PM
Originally Posted By Hawcer:
Let me let you in on a little secret.....



























































































75gr AMAX


+1 =) Although I don't use them for my AR.
toki  [Member]
9/4/2012 10:22:56 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.
AR-180  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 10:45:34 PM
Originally Posted By toki:
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.


Really long bullets cannot be mag seated. The bearing surface would be below the case neck.
TBeghtol  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 11:27:56 PM
I had been using the Hornady 75 grain hpbt over 24.1 RL15.

This gave me iron sight groups from my Compass Lake Service rifle upper or less than 1 MOA. Very uniform, no pressure.

I have been trying the same bullet over 25.0 grains of CFE 223 and getting over 100 fps more velocity, same or slightly better groups, and no pressure signs.

I dont care if it "erases copper" or not, I like this bullet and this powder!

Tim
dryflash3  [Moderator]
9/4/2012 11:34:09 PM

Originally Posted By toki:
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.

Look in the FAQ's. There is a pic of the A max seated attempted to be seated to mag length.
meestermurphy  [Team Member]
9/4/2012 11:56:50 PM
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By toki:
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.

Look in the FAQ's. There is a pic of the A max seated attempted to be seated to mag length.


I made the mistake of loading 75gr AMAX's to mag length once when I was new to loading for my AR. They looked like mini SR71 engines. Ended up having a casehead separation on my first shot. Never did that again.

The 75gr BTHP's shoot really good though.

Trollslayer  [Team Member]
9/5/2012 1:17:21 AM
Originally Posted By toki:
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.




The 75 and 80 gr AMAX bullets are not intended to be loaded to magazine length.


The Hornady 75 gr HPBT-M bullet is a better bullet than the PPU you mentioned.
peligro113  [Team Member]
9/5/2012 6:33:54 AM
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By toki:
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies. I am still new to reloading and trying to separate the bullshit from the butter.

I looked at the A-MAX but read that it cannot (or should not) be loaded to AR mag length, is that more bullshit?

Either way, it doesn't sound the Horndy 75gn BTHP can't be any worse than the PPU 75gn OT"M" bullets I have been loading.

Look in the FAQ's. There is a pic of the A max seated attempted to be seated to mag length.


The pic in the FAQ is MIA here is one of a 80 grain loaded to 2.250", I think MOLON took the picture.

80 grain AMAx loaded to 2.250"
pic courtesy of MOLON


Left AMAX 75gr; 2.390" depth
Right Hornady 55gr; 2.260" depth
pic courtesy of NEO1130

Poindexter10thae  [Member]
9/5/2012 12:00:05 PM
I have had outstanding results with Horndady 75 gr HPBT match bullets, and with some of my own personal recipes, they have outshot the 77 g SMK with the same powder/primer/case combo.
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