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 S&W M&P vs Sig 2022
JAYTEAM  [Team Member]
2/13/2007 3:08:23 PM EST
Why does everyone talk about the M&P, but nobody mentions the 2022? The 2022 has interchangable backstraps like the M&P. It also has a polymer frame. The Sig has a doublestrike capability that the M&P lacks.

The 2022 interests me, but I hardly hear anything about it. I know the M&P is the new darling of the wondernine world, but why is it so much better than the Sig?

Jay
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SkagSig40  [Member]
2/13/2007 4:19:34 PM EST
The Sig Pro 2022 is a true sleeper. It is everybit the gun of the Classic Sigs. Mine has been 100% from day 1. I lover S&W 3rd Gen autos but would take the 2022 over the M&P any day!
Omaha-BeenGlockin  [Member]
2/13/2007 6:56:17 PM EST
Despite my screen name---I prefer hammer style pistols(vs striker fired)----the M&P has the same weird grip angle as a Glock---my Sig and HK lock in straight---the M&P and Glock point skyward---a very un-natural grip angle.
SGB  [Team Member]
2/13/2007 7:40:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Omaha-BeenGlockin:
Despite my screen name---I prefer hammer style pistols(vs striker fired)----the M&P has the same weird grip angle as a Glock---my Sig and HK lock in straight---the M&P and Glock point skyward---a very un-natural grip angle.


I don't think so.
VB3  [Member]
2/13/2007 7:48:31 PM EST
Not even a close decision. I would take the SIGPRO over the M&P.

The SIGPRO is a well tested weapon and has scored the fattest pistol military contract since WWII. It's an outstanding firearm

The M&P is the new and improved SIGMA. Same horrible trigger and all. It's this year's XD. Lots of Hype, lots of press, lots of wannabe Glock
Schulze  [Team Member]
2/13/2007 8:06:37 PM EST
VB3, have you shot an M&P? Just curious.
Sancho_Boffin  [Member]
2/14/2007 7:48:12 AM EST
I had a 2022 and it was a fine weapon. But I sold it after getting both a p226 and a M&P9. I just couldn't justify keeping it. It felt uncomfortable in my hands. I could not shoot it near as fast or as accurately as I could the M&P. The M&P seemed a whole lot more comfortable for a CCW and it holds 2 more rounds. But the 1 thing I did really like about the 2022 was the trigger. It was very smooth.
TJSTJ  [Member]
2/14/2007 10:21:40 AM EST
I have owned both and they both were great guns. It just depends on what its purpose is going to be. The M&P is thinner and holds more but imo the sigs trigger feels better. For ccw the sig is to bulky for my taste.
MachGT  [Member]
2/14/2007 4:08:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By VB3:
Not even a close decision. I would take the SIGPRO over the M&P.

The SIGPRO is a well tested weapon and has scored the fattest pistol military contract since WWII. It's an outstanding firearm

The M&P is the new and improved SIGMA. Same horrible trigger and all. It's this year's XD. Lots of Hype, lots of press, lots of wannabe Glock



You have evidently not shot an M&P

there is no comparison between the M&P and the sigma. the only thing they have in common is the trigger safety and the great ergonomics!
swingset  [Team Member]
2/14/2007 7:32:01 PM EST
Sig's a great gun, but the M&P has a lower boreline, better (and more consistent) trigger, and higher capacity....and a cheaper sticker.

I bought 2 M&P's, and I'll buy 2 more very soon and I count myself a huge Sig fan.
mstirton  [Member]
2/14/2007 9:57:07 PM EST
I prefer my M&P9 to my 2009. Like others have stated, the SIG trigger is nice, but the ergos of the M&P are much better.
VB3  [Member]
2/15/2007 2:59:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
VB3, have you shot an M&P? Just curious.


Local dealer with range had a S&W day awhile back and I got to try the M&P. The long windex bottle trigger wasnt impressive at all, and the slide locked back a couple of times with rounds still in the mag.

I only trust proven platforms. The M&P isnt one of them. Sure the gun can improve, but for now I pass.
MachGT  [Member]
2/15/2007 3:57:28 AM EST
The M&P has a long trigger pull, but it is more of a 2 stage trigger.

The first bit of it takes no effort until you get just short of where the sear releases the striker. Then you actually feel some resistance.

A sigma requires the full effort all of the way through the pull, it is more like a DA revolver.
russbunny  [Member]
2/15/2007 8:28:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Omaha-BeenGlockin:
Despite my screen name---I prefer hammer style pistols(vs striker fired)----the M&P has the same weird grip angle as a Glock---my Sig and HK lock in straight---the M&P and Glock point skyward---a very un-natural grip angle.


I don't think so.


+1

And even at that, I shot tons of rounds through 1911's, Ruger P series, XD's, and every other "traditional" grip angled handgun. When I bought my G19 I had zero issues with getting used to the grip angle. I don't use the angle of the grip or the feel in my hands, I quick reference the slide and the frame's top to the top of my hand and my forearm. It felt just fine to me straight out of the box. I can and have transitioned between the two grip angles all day long with point shooting.

The SIG looks interesting. Like I've said numerous times, if the slide release was forward a little bit more to accommodate left handed shooting a little better then it would all ready be in my collection but SIG seems to market their handguns solely to right handed shooters. I know I know, this is where everyone says "If you're using and reloading a handgun correctly then you don't need the slide release." To me, for a defensive handgun, there could be situations that warrant the use of a slide release.
Ryno_the_wyno  [Member]
2/15/2007 9:33:42 AM EST
Sig 2022, without a doubt. When the MP first came out, I had a chance to shoot one a few times and was most pleased. I liked it more than my G22C at the time...I ended up buying one not long after and keeping it for around 3 hours or so. It wouldn't properly feed any of the wide variety of .40 ammo I loaded into it. I tried both magazines and a range of JHP's and FMJ's and it still choked. I ended up exchanging it for a Sig Pro 2022 in .40/.357 Sig with nite sites and couldn't be happier.The Sig Pro is a truly underated gun, despite earning Sig's largest contract to date. It has been and continues to be a popular LE/military handgun all over the world.I like it so much that had I bought it sooner, I probably wouldn't own my P226STR. Its lighter, smaller and the grip is more comfortable than the P226 while maintaining the same mag capacity.15.00 LE marked factory mags is also a huge plus.

I use mine for concealed carry and have since added CTC Lasergrips and an Insight M5 weapon light. I didn't think the grip could be more comfortable until I installed the Lasergrips. I was very impressed, I also very much like the front activation on this model. I have never had a single malfunction with mine and couldn't be happier with it.
I could have had a P229R when I returned my MP but elected to get the 2022 instead because it was lighter/more comfortable. My only complaint is its a little unruly in .357 Sig, so it took some getting used too. Its lighter weight causes it to jump a little more than my P226, but with practice its entirely managible. I currently carry mine in .357 Sig with 125grn Gold Dots, but I prefer to shoot it in .40 S&W. Another consideration is holster selection. Holsters arent as plentiful, but they are certainly availible...I rock a Bladtech IWB for mine, and I rock it proper.

As mentioned, the MP is new and as of yet, untested. The Sig Pro has been around for years and has served well with LE agencies/militaries the world over. In fact, the US Army has been supplementing the M9 with both the Ruger P95 and Sig Pro. As I mentioned, had I owned this gun earlier there is no way I would have dropped 900.00 on my P226STR. My Sig 2022 does everything a P226/P229 does, but in a smaller/lighter platform.

The Sig Pro 2022 is a much better choice than the S&W MP.
wganz  [Team Member]
2/15/2007 3:27:57 PM EST
I had too much sunk into my P226's(mags, holsters, training time) when I did the great herd thinning, so I let my one P2022 go. IMO, it is a better gun than the P226. May have been a mistake to keep the P226's instead of upgrading to the P2022.

wganz
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Marksman14  [Member]
2/15/2007 3:56:34 PM EST
What contract did the 2022 get?
JAYTEAM  [Team Member]
2/15/2007 5:51:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
What contract did the 2022 get?


I think it won an Army contact. I seem to recall the contract having something to do with sidarms issued to tank crews.

Jay
Sgt_Gold  [Member]
2/16/2007 6:35:08 AM EST
Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) procures all mannor of material support for all branches of the U.S. military, and allied nations working with U.S. forces. Whenever a branch of the military needs something, TACOM goes out and RFP's for it. Anything that is already in the NSN system can be cross ordered through the militay supply network. The Army would issue tank crews the M9 or M11 pistols because they would have to pay for the Sig's out of a suplimental budget. These pistols are probably going to Iraq for their national forces.


Originally Posted By JAYTEAM:
I think it won an Army contact. I seem to recall the contract having something to do with sidarms issued to tank crews.

Jay
Bogey1911  [Member]
2/16/2007 8:00:42 AM EST
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The SIG Pro is used by the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), as well as a number of other law enforcement agencies worldwide.

In 2003, French law enforcement agencies (including Gendarmerie and Police Nationale) adopted the SP 2022 to replace Beretta 92G and some older pistols. A total of 250 000 of the SP 2022 have been ordered by France.

The SIG Pro is also used by the Swiss Military Police and in trials for being the future standard Swiss army pistol, replacing the SIG P220.

From Here

MachGT  [Member]
2/16/2007 12:25:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bogey1911:

In 2003, French law enforcement agencies (including Gendarmerie and Police Nationale) adopted the SP 2022 to replace Beretta 92G and some older pistols. A total of 250 000 of the SP 2022 have been ordered by France.


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do the French pistols have the little white flag that comes out of the gun?
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