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 AR-10 vs AR-15 for first rifle
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/23/2011 5:43:38 PM
Hello,

I have an XDm-9 and want to get a rifle. I think long-term I will want the AR-10 over AR-15 for the larger caliber to make it a multi-purpose tool for hunting (as well as home defense, etc.).

At a gun show last week I handled the new AR-15's with the polymer lower receiver. Obviously these probably won't last as long over time, byt the entire gun was $649. Would I be wise to get the AR-15 first, build profiency with it for a while, and then a year later sell it or outright buy an AR-10? I have shot M-16's before on limited occasions so I know how the AR-15 will act. Just not sure if I should go ahead with the AR-10 or start small and work up?

I plan to stick with iron sights for a good while, and become really proficient, before adding optics.

Thanks
purevl2  [Team Member]
6/23/2011 7:04:43 PM
Originally Posted By BlessTheUSA:
Hello,

I have an XDm-9 and want to get a rifle. I think long-term I will want the AR-10 over AR-15 for the larger caliber to make it a multi-purpose tool for hunting (as well as home defense, etc.).

At a gun show last week I handled the new AR-15's with the polymer lower receiver. Obviously these probably won't last as long over time, byt the entire gun was $649. Would I be wise to get the AR-15 first, build profiency with it for a while, and then a year later sell it or outright buy an AR-10? I have shot M-16's before on limited occasions so I know how the AR-15 will act. Just not sure if I should go ahead with the AR-10 or start small and work up?

I plan to stick with iron sights for a good while, and become really proficient, before adding optics.

Thanks

I would go with a AR-10 from Bud's
$1200 delivered
GG&G sights for $200
Call it a day.

I have 4 AR's and an AR10.

I love the AR10, but it's expensive to shoot and can be rather heavy. If you keep it in stock form it's not that bad. Add a rail and it's a Juggernaut.

You will want both.
1in7twist  [Member]
6/23/2011 8:49:23 PM
Get what you want. Women always go on about how much money they saved or about some sale. Buy what you want, you won't be thinking about saving a few bucks in a year or two. You will be happy you didn't compromise. BUT! on the other hand Armalite will be having a sale for thr 4th of July ( I could go on & on). Can you say "AR-10."
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/23/2011 9:28:04 PM
Originally Posted By 1in7twist:
Get what you want. Women always go on about how much money they saved or about some sale. Buy what you want, you won't be thinking about saving a few bucks in a year or two. You will be happy you didn't compromise. BUT! on the other hand Armalite will be having a sale for thr 4th of July ( I could go on & on). Can you say "AR-10."


Haha. About the comment about weight, I would probably just add a small section of rail for a light. Also, I'm not going to be going around with 57 mags (unless that's something that grows on you) so weight probably won't be too much of an issue. And while an extra pound is always an extra pound, I'm young so I shouldn't wine

I'm going to watch the Armalite July 4 sale, and if it's good I just might bite.

The .308 ammo does look a little more expensive, but not horrible. USAAmmo has once-fired 308 winchester for 11.73 per box of 25 and they don't have once-fired 5.56 but new 5.56 is 17-something for 50. So maybe 50% higher I probably won't shoot a million rounds, so I guess it'll be ok... I'd rather have .308 when needed.

Thanks for the advice :-)
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/23/2011 11:02:07 PM
This?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_135/products_id/58346

Would I be better off to build one? (especially with the July 4 sale).

I want the collapsable stock, and iron sights (which I would apparently have to buy in addition to the rifle linked above).

Also, I can't mount rails on that handguard right? I do want enough rail for a light, and possibilty to add a bipod someday down the road. Would I be better off just to build from the start, picking the components I wanted? Or is the price to swap things out later close enough that I should just get this, and then figure out what I want to swap?

Thanks!
vtmactech  [Team Member]
6/24/2011 9:51:39 AM
If you build it you will have it EXACTLY how you want it. You won't really save any money because you can (and will) chose a few premium components but when you are done it will be the rifle you want. If you haven't shot an AR-10 yet make sure you do before you buy one. I love my AR-10s but if you plan on hunting and trekking with it, the weight will add up fast. I'm looking to buy another AR-10 but this one will be the 16" carbine/fixed sights/collapsable stock carbine. Waiting to see what/if the July 4th sale brings.

Edit: Here is my current carbine, it is probably the most accurate and reliable AR-anything I have ever shot but it is a tad heavy. 16" carbine w/ 14" rail and UBR, all of which add weight. Next one will be built to the lightest possible weight.
Firebird69  [Team Member]
6/24/2011 3:19:46 PM
FIY NATO surplus ammo can be had under $.40 per round.

http://www.rifle-company.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=431

Go with the AR-10
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/24/2011 3:45:33 PM
Thanks. I want to go AR-10 route I guess.

To add the rails from Armaline (to add a light) is $200. Rails can be had for $60 on eBay. I'm sure there's some "you get what you pay for" to it, but are the $60 rails that much lesser quality?

I guess I'll have to start figuring out what components I need... including iron sights since that seems to be ommitted from a lot of models.

Thanks,
HK-USP  [Member]
6/24/2011 5:14:31 PM
I went with the AR10 first and later bought an AR15. Have added 2 more AR15s.
strong_epoxy  [Member]
6/24/2011 8:23:39 PM
Same here. Started with an AR-10 and quickly bought an AR-15. Not because I didn't like the AR-10 but because I simply wanted one. I actually shoot the AR-10 a little more than the AR-15.
TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
6/25/2011 2:25:08 AM
I started with the AR10 becuase I saw one in a NC gunshop and the 308 round made me feel funny at the time. I had no clue about the AR15 then.

I got burned with some bubba mags and only when I started searching the web and reading did I find this place and got on the Ar15 bandwagon.

I always recommend the AR15 first, you get expouse to the system have a cheap platform to shoot. After you figure out all the shit you want/dont want on the AR15, you can set up a AR10 without all the expense.

JD42  [Team Member]
6/25/2011 10:17:33 AM
If you can shoot both, First and then make up your mind. Both can be great rifles. The .308 is a better hunting round. The Ar15 is lighter and less expensive. Which ever you go with. Make sure to get a quality rifle. Send a few dollors more up front. In the long run it will be cheaper.
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/25/2011 5:36:46 PM
Other than the AR-10/AR-15 compatabily FAQ which is about 100 pages long, is there any brief document about compatability of various parts? I am just wondering what I can and cannot use to build the rife. For example, I can get a handguard with 4 rails for $50 on ebay. How do I know that it fits? Etc.

Thanks
TaylorWSO  [Life Member]
6/25/2011 7:23:28 PM

Originally Posted By BlessTheUSA:
Other than the AR-10/AR-15 compatabily FAQ which is about 100 pages long, is there any brief document about compatability of various parts? I am just wondering what I can and cannot use to build the rife. For example, I can get a handguard with 4 rails for $50 on ebay. How do I know that it fits? Etc.

Thanks
So you are not willing to read 1 page of a thread to become knowlegeble but want to be spoon fed instead?

The dramatic "100 pages" is also a hoot

good luck
Firebird69  [Team Member]
6/25/2011 9:37:57 PM

Originally Posted By BlessTheUSA:
Other than the AR-10/AR-15 compatabily FAQ which is about 100 pages long, is there any brief document about compatability of various parts? I am just wondering what I can and cannot use to build the rife. For example, I can get a handguard with 4 rails for $50 on ebay. How do I know that it fits? Etc.

Thanks

If you scroll down a little on the first page you'll see a part exchange list.

Taylor is an awesome ARFcommer who can be grumpy He put(s) an asston of work into the info he provides.

The AR-10 is easy to work on. I have a DPMS multiwrench that works on both my AR15 and 10. As for a rail one guy recently installed a modified MOE cool! I have a JP Rifle FF Tube with a few rails on my 10.

FB
borderpatrol  [Member]
6/26/2011 8:32:00 PM
It's pretty hard not to "choose" the AR10 when you post this question in the AR10 section of this forum. In my opinion your first rifle should be an AR15. Because, it's our nation's battle rifle, ammo and magazines ($15.00 +/-) are cheaper and 100% reliable, it's light, handy and very accurate. It's very capable in just about any roll you need it for provided you use head and neck shots when hunting. A TON of aftermarket parts are available and reliability issues have all been worked out.

If your budget is the driving factor the AR15 is the better choice. I competition ready NRA/CMP AR15 can be had for under $1200 and everything else is cheaper than that. You can buy a lower with a match trigger and source the upper any way you want. Visit White Oak Armaments website for barrel/upper ideas as well as Ranier Arms. You'll get a great rifle for around $1000. One that you won't grow tired of. I suggest a 1/7 or 1/8 twist stainless steel barrel with a bead blasted finish.

Or buy a cheaper model and save for upgrades later.

BTW - I own two Noveske AR10's, a 16" and a 21". Two M1-A Super match rifles. Three safes full of AR15's. The AR15 is as close to a recoiless rifle as you can get. The other's are not.
BlessTheUSA  [Member]
6/26/2011 8:35:21 PM
Originally Posted By borderpatrol:
It's pretty hard not to "choose" the AR10 when you post this question in the AR10 section of this forum. In my opinion your first rifle should be an AR15. Because, it's our nation's battle rifle, ammo and magazines ($15.00 +/-) are cheaper and 100% reliable, it's light, handy and very accurate. It's very capable in just about any roll you need it for provided you use head and neck shots when hunting. A TON of aftermarket parts are available and reliability issues have all been worked out.

If your budget is the driving factor the AR15 is the better choice. I competition ready NRA/CMP AR15 can be had for under $1200 and everything else is cheaper than that. You can buy a lower with a match trigger and source the upper any way you want. Visit White Oak Armaments website for barrel/upper ideas as well as Ranier Arms. You'll get a great rifle for around $1000. One that you won't grow tired of. I suggest a 1/7 or 1/8 twist stainless steel barrel with a bead blasted finish.

Or buy a cheaper model and save for upgrades later.

BTW - I own two Noveske AR10's, a 16" and a 21". Two M1-A Super match rifles. Three safes full of AR15's. The AR15 is as close to a recoiless rifle as you can get. The other's are not.


Maybe I will do that, get the AR-15 first and then find out what I really want to build onto the AR-10. I realized what you said about "posting in this forum" so I posted in the "AR Variant" forum, and they are trying to convince me to go with AR-15 lower with 6.8 spc upper.

Maybe you're right, I should just get a 5.56 upper and learn, then come back to the AR-10

RRA Elite Operator seems to be a good deal, and they're giving a rear site with it right now, so I could add the Standalone rear sight for free. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=462

May need to pick up one of these... Sale is to RRA so no sales tax, correct?

Thanks
borderpatrol  [Member]
6/27/2011 11:43:24 AM
No sales tax? You will pay sales tax unless you order and pay for the rifle from an out of state source and just have it shipped to a local FFL holder to process the paperwork for a fee. Usually $25.00 +/-.

If you buy the lower only you may avoid the federal excise tax associated with buying a finished rifle. This tax is already included in the price whenever you buy a complete firearm.
SASS  [Team Member]
7/6/2011 2:03:20 AM

Originally Posted By BlessTheUSA:
Hello,

I have an XDm-9 and want to get a rifle. I think long-term I will want the AR-10 over AR-15 for the larger caliber to make it a multi-purpose tool for hunting (as well as home defense, etc.).

At a gun show last week I handled the new AR-15's with the polymer lower receiver. Obviously these probably won't last as long over time, byt the entire gun was $649. Would I be wise to get the AR-15 first, build profiency with it for a while, and then a year later sell it or outright buy an AR-10? I have shot M-16's before on limited occasions so I know how the AR-15 will act. Just not sure if I should go ahead with the AR-10 or start small and work up?

I plan to stick with iron sights for a good while, and become really proficient, before adding optics.

Thanks
I am abit late to the party...but.
I bought my AR-10..ArmaLite...first. A AR-10 A4 C...and proceeded to build it for both close range and medium distance...but given time...I got to thinking about "Home Defense"....if I have to use it....it is GOING TO END UP IN THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE, so I decided to get my ArmaLite M-15 A4 C for just that reason...and it is cheaper to shoot...
I moved all the CQB stuff it it...and of course I do have a 3x9 scope for it as well.....just in case...anyway here is my recommendation..
If HomeDefense is what you are looking for then the ArmaLite M-15 would be better....as follows..

Fun...sport and Home Defense...ArmaLite M-15 A4 or A4 C...
For CRE..Close Range Engagement ...50 to 400 yards...The ArmaLite AR-10 A4 C....There is no CQB with A AR-10...you just shoot them through the walls.....
For Distance...The AR-10 but go with at least a 20" barrel...This will give you a chance to go at least to 700 yards....depending on ability and optics.
Just my opinion...and .25 worth...
SASS
SWMP15AOP  [Team Member]
7/8/2011 11:58:05 PM
Your first post and you apparently have one handgun and are contemplating an AR10 as your first rifle?

Alrighty, here's my take on it:

I have 3 AR15's - two in 5.56 and one in 5.45x39
I have 1 Armalite AR10

From my perspective, you'd be better suited with an AR15. You can shoot it more often because of its lower ammo cost and lower recoil. You just aren't going to do a ton of plinking / recreational shooting with an AR10 as compared to an AR15. So, for your first rifle, I'd recommend the AR15. In fact, if you can tolerate the added maintenance associated with corrosive ammo, go for an AR15 in 5.45x39 and shoot the hell out of the thing for a third the ammo cost of a 5.56 AR15 and a smaller fraction of the ammo cost of shooting an AR10.

In terms of fun factor with a new / first rifle I'd go for the AR15 and would consider a CMMG .22LR conversion kit for it as well. Even cheaper plinking.

Good luck.
Manny2_0  [Member]
7/9/2011 2:19:04 AM
Originally Posted By SWMP15AOP:


From my perspective, you'd be better suited with an AR15. You can shoot it more often because of its lower ammo cost and lower recoil. You just aren't going to do a ton of plinking / recreational shooting with an AR10 as compared to an AR15. So, for your first rifle, I'd recommend the AR15..

Good luck.


Exactly as this man said
learn first,
I would say the ar15 is more fun on a short range, which is where you need to do most of your learning, just about everything you learn will transfer over to the ar10

ammo aval. is pretty easy to get online, but is easier for the 5.56

If you will be getting ammo at walmart, 5.56 will be cheaper too, cuz 308 at walmart will cost you almost a buck after taxes


these are just my thoughts,
However if your ready for the add. recoil and added price to shoot go ar10 all the way
Isenhelm  [Team Member]
7/9/2011 4:33:48 AM
I went with an AR-10 first.
It was going to be my first and only rifle for a while so I had to be utilitarian.
I went with a rifle and not a carbine length, 3.5-10X optics and BUIS night sights.

About two years later I bought more rifles, AK (7.62) and an AR (5.56)


xhairs1970  [Member]
7/26/2011 11:49:37 AM
I went an AR10 first like some of the other folks....I figured that for what ever the reason I was to only own one black rifle that it should be a .308.
That however led to a terrible case of BRD and I currently own two 15's and have two more lowers that are in current build form along with another lower that is still on order...
Buy what you want to and can afford and start shooting asap.

On a side note:it is much cheaper to reload .223 vs .308 and factory ammo is less expensive as well...if that comes into play.....
hawk45  [Member]
7/26/2011 1:57:32 PM
Everyone needs at least one AR15. I would go with the AR15 first and as you said "build proficiency". The way to do that is to shoot A LOT! .223 ammo will be cheaper than .308 ammo for the most part. You can get 1000rd of bulk .223 for less than $200 these days, try to do that with .308. The low recoil will also allow you to concentrate on form and technique, which is vastly differenent than with a bolt gun. Once you feel good about your shooting, by all means get a .308 semi.. as everyone needs one of these also.
Cheers brother,
Hawk
DFABOVE  [Member]
7/30/2011 1:29:07 AM
I would advise an AR-15 as a first rifle given your experience level.The recoil from a .308 will take some getting used too,while the .223 will be more fun to shoot while you rack up experience.If you are going to keep your guns after you purchase them vs. selling them to move up,you might thing about investing in the complete rifles and carbines from the manufacturers that offer lifetime warranties.If you get hooked like most of us here....the guns just seem to accumulate! My other advise would be to invest in reloading equipment. It can be had for a modest budget .If you really want to know your gun.....Reload!! Want perfect ammo?Want ammo that will always work in your gun?The connection between gun and the shooter is amazing! It is very cool to roll your own and bond with your new weapon. The satisfaction and independence of being able to control the ammo that is fed into your rifle and pistol will also set you in a position to save money, allowing you to shoot more! Look at all of the posts talking about the various types of ammo that did not work well in the various guns of the people that post!! Every body talks about the Zombie apocalypse...lol! The ability to load your own will be worth a lot!! Ar-15 1st.,Ar-10 2nd. and so on. JB
crocodile427  [Member]
8/1/2011 8:17:07 PM
I bought the AR-10 first. Still have not gotten an AR-15 and will be getting another AR-10 lower to build on for my bday in October. The recoil is not that bad, but it is a 308. You actually feel it, not like the AR-15. Which was made because of too many pansies in the force who complained about the M14 and Garand. Boohoo Im just in an asshole mood today, haha.

I would not recommend any AR for home defense. Its not practical. You should stick with the pistol, or get a shotgun. Like others have posted, the AR-10 is not a smart defense weapon because youll kill your neighbor possibly. The AR15 is a good choice, but still not a great choice. There is no sound more intimidating than that of a 12 gauge pump. Devastatingly effective too.

If you are comfortable with large caliber recoil, get the AR-10. If you dont have a strong shoulder, get the AR15.
gasdoc09  [Team Member]
8/2/2011 1:56:59 AM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
There is no sound more intimidating than that of a 12 gauge pump.

Sure there is! It's the sound of SILENCE when you don't give away your position by deliberately making noise to chamber a round that should've already been chambered.

crocodile427  [Member]
8/2/2011 9:23:06 AM
Originally Posted By gasdoc09:
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
There is no sound more intimidating than that of a 12 gauge pump.

Sure there is! It's the sound of SILENCE when you don't give away your position by deliberately making noise to chamber a round that should've already been chambered.



Silence is not very intimidating, I would say it would be very nerve racking. My shotgun stays chambered all the time. I dont have kids or anything like that.

The silence would make you sweat bricks, the sound of the pump will make you shit bricks.
6731HBAR  [Team Member]
8/21/2011 10:40:21 PM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
I bought the AR-10 first. Still have not gotten an AR-15 and will be getting another AR-10 lower to build on for my bday in October. The recoil is not that bad, but it is a 308. You actually feel it, not like the AR-15. Which was made because of too many pansies in the force who complained about the M14 and Garand. Boohoo Im just in an asshole mood today, haha.

I would not recommend any AR for home defense. Its not practical. You should stick with the pistol, or get a shotgun. Like others have posted, the AR-10 is not a smart defense weapon because youll kill your neighbor possibly. The AR15 is a good choice, but still not a great choice. There is no sound more intimidating than that of a 12 gauge pump. Devastatingly effective too.

If you are comfortable with large caliber recoil, get the AR-10. If you dont have a strong shoulder, get the AR15.


Wait, ok, yeah there is a little more recoil with an AR10 but, it isn't like your shooting a bolt gun. you don't need a strong shoulder to shoot an ar10.
SWMP15AOP  [Team Member]
8/26/2011 8:29:25 PM
Originally Posted By gasdoc09:
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
There is no sound more intimidating than that of a 12 gauge pump.

Sure there is! It's the sound of SILENCE when you don't give away your position by deliberately making noise to chamber a round that should've already been chambered.



Then there's always the sound of the round going off (if the shitter in the previous posts is fortunate enough to hear it).
10milg29  [Member]
8/27/2011 5:07:47 PM
I'd probably go with the AR15 first and get the AR10 later. I love both my rifles (16" .223 and a 20" AR10). I'm just starting to reload, so I can start shooting the crap out of my 10. .308 gets rather expensive unless you buy it in bulk. Either way, I think you'll be plenty pleased with your purchase.