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Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/13/2006 12:48:04 AM
Hey guys,

I'm taking the AR hunting this season and was wondering what type of ammo is best for it? Let me know.

Thanks!
Schulze  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 1:08:53 AM
Barnes X
Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/13/2006 2:23:50 AM

Originally Posted By Schulze:
Barnes X


Can you get me a link? Is it expensive? What grain should purchase?
gorvibub  [Member]
10/13/2006 2:44:48 AM
another good load that is a little cheaper is the Winchester 64 grain power point and it also works well as a self defence load.
paulosantos  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 6:19:10 AM

Originally Posted By Hafellafuse:
Hey guys,

I'm taking the AR hunting this season and was wondering what type of ammo is best for it? Let me know.

Thanks!


1. Corbon 53 Gr. DPX (Barnes Tripple X Bullet)
2. Any ammo loaded with the Nosler 60 Gr. Partition.
3. Any ammo loaded with the Winchester or Federal 64 Gr. SP.
4. Any ammo loaded with the 55 Gr. SP.
HBruns  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 12:10:17 PM
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.

Nosler makes a great 22 cal hunting bullet (their 60 gn Partition), though I do not know of any commercial ammo loaded with this bullet.

Your best bet is to reload your own 223 hunting ammo.
Zhukov  [Moderator]
10/13/2006 12:11:56 PM
Winchester 64gr PP is a ready made load you can buy in most places. My son took his first deer with one last season.
NAM  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 12:31:03 PM
I'm planning on using 75 gr. HPBT. I've heard decent reports.

Of course, my barrel is a little on the short side...
markm  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 12:41:10 PM

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It's sad that you have to legislate common sense.

There was some numb nuts idiot that posted that he had hunted deer with .22 mag here.

MtBiker  [Member]
10/13/2006 12:42:53 PM
"YOU DON'T NEED ASSAULT WEPONS FOR HUNTING! ARE THE DEER WEARING BODY ARMOR?" do you plan on "spray shooting" the deer?




sorry
Schulze  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 12:46:12 PM

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It's sad that you have to legislate common sense.

There was some numb nuts idiot that posted that he had hunted deer with .22 mag here.



They've been dying with perfect reproducibiliy around here for years with .223.
markm  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 12:48:56 PM

Originally Posted By Schulze:
They've been dying with perfect reproducibiliy around here for years with .223.


I don't know what that means, but I thought the deer would be BIGGER in TEXAS!
QuinlanV  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 1:06:32 PM

Originally Posted By HBruns:
Nosler makes a great 22 cal hunting bullet (their 60 gn Partition), though I do not know of any commercial ammo loaded with this bullet.


Federal Premium P223Q uses the Nosler Partition 60gr.

ugagrad06  [Member]
10/13/2006 1:09:43 PM
a good, clean shot will kill with almost any bullet... just make sure you only take clean shots.
JER  [Member]
10/13/2006 1:17:40 PM
If you have a 1/8 or faster, some handloads with Swift's new 75 grain Scirocco would be the cat's ass. A 1/9 might stabilize it, but it's a pretty long bullet..........
llanero  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 1:34:48 PM

Originally Posted By Schulze:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It's sad that you have to legislate common sense.

There was some numb nuts idiot that posted that he had hunted deer with .22 mag here.



They've been dying with perfect reproducibiliy around here for years with .223.


Yep, around here, it's the favorite for deer and turkeys for many of those who do not respect the law
Schulze  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 2:46:03 PM

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
They've been dying with perfect reproducibiliy around here for years with .223.


I don't know what that means, but I thought the deer would be BIGGER in TEXAS!


After using "legislate common sense" I thought you'd understand.
NeoCon007  [Member]
10/13/2006 8:04:50 PM

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It's sad that you have to legislate common sense.

There was some numb nuts idiot that posted that he had hunted deer with .22 mag here.





Here in Arkansas, Game and Fish Officers are always looking to bust poachers. They will tell you that anyone with a .22 mag is a suspect.
JPratt06  [Member]
10/13/2006 8:46:55 PM

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It's sad that you have to legislate common sense.

There was some numb nuts idiot that posted that he had hunted deer with .22 mag here.



[rant]
If you are a marksman, 223 isn't a problem. If you aren't, well then, maybe it is. And just before you make some remark that I don't know what I'm talking about/no personal experience/etc, I've shot my ar while deer hunting four times and made four clean, swift kills. My father has shot deer with his 270 and we had to follow blood trails 100-150 yds long.

Bottom line, 223/308/270/etc don't kill. Shot placement kills.
[/rant]
Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/13/2006 9:30:13 PM
Whoa guys, I didn't think that this topic would cause such a stir. I've hunted with 30Odd6 before without a problem but just wanted to possibly switch it up. See what the AR can do. Not to mention I've hunted with people that have used M4 style rifles and taken down deer without a problem. No chase, clean kill. I just wanted to make sure that I'll be using the best possible ammo for the job.

Thanks to everyone that posted here to help out.
JPratt06  [Member]
10/13/2006 9:38:37 PM
I'd recommend the HSM 556T uncannelured rounds. Accurate and fast

And don't worry, the rant is over. Enjoy the upcoming season
AJBello  [Member]
10/13/2006 10:29:46 PM
I haven't had much time to hunt this season so far, but I've carried my M4gery a few times that I have gone out. I handloaded some 70 gr. Barnes TSXs after reading several glowing reviews of the performance of the bullet on game. Weight retention of these bullets is near 100% almost every time. I think when you're already using such a relatively light bullet, weight retention is key.
The load I'm shooting is:
70 gr. Barnes TSX
22.5 gr. IMR 4895
Remington cases
Federal 205 primers
I loaded the bullets as far out as I could and still have them fit in a magazine. I test-fired/zeroed at 50 yards and they were grouping very well. Not sure how many more times I'll be able to get out this year, but I would love to see how these perform.

I've also heard good reviews of the Winchester 64 gr. soft points, which are a good option if you're not handloading.
Sixgun357  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 10:30:32 PM
Dont go cheep when it comes to hunting ammo. Wouldnt you hate to lose a deer becuase of cheap ammo.




Or you could just go with Wolf, they kill deer quite often.
eswanson  [Member]
10/13/2006 10:51:35 PM

Originally Posted By JPratt06:
I'd recommend the HSM 556T uncannelured rounds. Accurate and fast

And don't worry, the rant is over. Enjoy the upcoming season


Accurate and fast aren't the be-all and end-all of hunting rounds. Accurate, of course, but "fast" takes a back seat to expansion. And I sure wouldn't want a round that depends on fragmentation for its wounding effect. I like to actually eat the venison, not pick out copper and lead fragments.

If you must use .223, 64gr Winchester PowerPoints would be good.
AJBello  [Member]
10/13/2006 11:00:04 PM

Originally Posted By eswanson:

Originally Posted By JPratt06:
I'd recommend the HSM 556T uncannelured rounds. Accurate and fast

And don't worry, the rant is over. Enjoy the upcoming season


Accurate and fast aren't the be-all and end-all of hunting rounds. Accurate, of course, but "fast" takes a back seat to expansion. And I sure wouldn't want a round that depends on fragmentation for its wounding effect. I like to actually eat the venison, not pick out copper and lead fragments.

If you must use .223, 64gr Winchester PowerPoints would be good.


Yet another reason the weight retention of the Barnes TSX is nice. With many other bullets in this caliber I would be concerned with fragmentation and seperation, resulting in meat damage.
Schulze  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 11:13:49 PM
And the Barnes has good barrier penetration for those up-armored deer. You never know.
lumper  [Team Member]
10/13/2006 11:23:17 PM

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Winchester 64gr PP is a ready made load you can buy in most places. My son took his first deer with one last season.


+ 1

I have taken several deer with this load. If you find the bullet in the deer it will be as a small little mushroom.
scoop  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 7:29:04 AM

Originally Posted By AJBello:
I haven't had much time to hunt this season so far, but I've carried my M4gery a few times that I have gone out. I handloaded some 70 gr. Barnes TSXs after reading several glowing reviews of the performance of the bullet on game. Weight retention of these bullets is near 100% almost every time. I think when you're already using such a relatively light bullet, weight retention is key.
The load I'm shooting is:
70 gr. Barnes TSX
22.5 gr. IMR 4895
Remington cases
Federal 205 primers
I loaded the bullets as far out as I could and still have them fit in a magazine. I test-fired/zeroed at 50 yards and they were grouping very well. Not sure how many more times I'll be able to get out this year, but I would love to see how these perform.

I've also heard good reviews of the Winchester 64 gr. soft points, which are a good option if you're not handloading.


I took these two deer last season with 70 gr Barnes TSX's on top of 25.0 gr of Varget. If you're not a handloader, go with the 64 gr Winch PP or Federal Premium w/ the 60 gr Partition.

JER  [Member]
10/14/2006 8:15:29 AM
I forgot about the 70 grain Barnes TSX. Awesome bullet!

Note: I think you will definitely need a 1/8 or faster barrel for this bullet. It is a very long bullet to make that weight with only copper. And length, not weight, is what dictates the rifling rate necessary for stability.

Or has anyone ever gotten one to flys straight out of a 1/9?
AKJEFF  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 9:51:10 AM
Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.

It is legal in Texas.
AKJEFF  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 9:53:41 AM

Originally Posted By scoop:

Originally Posted By AJBello:
I haven't had much time to hunt this season so far, but I've carried my M4gery a few times that I have gone out. I handloaded some 70 gr. Barnes TSXs after reading several glowing reviews of the performance of the bullet on game. Weight retention of these bullets is near 100% almost every time. I think when you're already using such a relatively light bullet, weight retention is key.
The load I'm shooting is:
70 gr. Barnes TSX
22.5 gr. IMR 4895
Remington cases
Federal 205 primers
I loaded the bullets as far out as I could and still have them fit in a magazine. I test-fired/zeroed at 50 yards and they were grouping very well. Not sure how many more times I'll be able to get out this year, but I would love to see how these perform.

I've also heard good reviews of the Winchester 64 gr. soft points, which are a good option if you're not handloading.


I took these two deer last season with 70 gr Barnes TSX's on top of 25.0 gr of Varget. If you're not a handloader, go with the 64 gr Winch PP or Federal Premium w/ the 60 gr Partition.
www.hunt101.com/img/341051.JPG
www.hunt101.com/img/342202.JPG



do you hunt with a suppressor?
glocktex  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 12:22:47 PM
I killed two deer last year with two shots. Both were with the Black Hills 68gr heavy match HP. The buck I shot went 30 yards and piled up, DRT!
JPratt06  [Member]
10/14/2006 1:26:04 PM

Originally Posted By AJBello:

Originally Posted By eswanson:

Originally Posted By JPratt06:
I'd recommend the HSM 556T uncannelured rounds. Accurate and fast

And don't worry, the rant is over. Enjoy the upcoming season


Accurate and fast aren't the be-all and end-all of hunting rounds. Accurate, of course, but "fast" takes a back seat to expansion. And I sure wouldn't want a round that depends on fragmentation for its wounding effect. I like to actually eat the venison, not pick out copper and lead fragments.

If you must use .223, 64gr Winchester PowerPoints would be good.


Yet another reason the weight retention of the Barnes TSX is nice. With many other bullets in this caliber I would be concerned with fragmentation and seperation, resulting in meat damage.



I don't eat the shoulders, so fragmentation is desireable for me. All depends on what you plan on eating. If you eat the shoulders, then you want an expanding (high weight retention) bullet, but if not, the frag option is available to you. I eat the butt, backstraps, etc, and I've never found any fragments in those.
Scotts4388  [Member]
10/14/2006 2:22:19 PM
I'm takin my AR-15, M4 Config to the deer season this year. After much research i've decided to take Winchester 64gr Power Points. This setup should be fine, but invest in a range finder, be POSITIVE you know exactly where that bullet is gonna go. And Put your time in on the range.
FMJ  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 2:35:30 PM
I would use the WIN 64 PP

since its pretty cheap 11.00 a box of 20rds Ranger


Btw Ive have seen White Tail Deer shot with a 22mag and 22lr Both drop dead with a single round!


Thats in IND,
scoop  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 3:45:40 PM


I took these two deer last season with 70 gr Barnes TSX's on top of 25.0 gr of Varget. If you're not a handloader, go with the 64 gr Winch PP or Federal Premium w/ the 60 gr Partition.
www.hunt101.com/img/341051.JPG
www.hunt101.com/img/342202.JPG



do you hunt with a suppressor?

Yes Completely legit in SC. And fun to boot.
HBruns  [Team Member]
10/14/2006 5:01:19 PM

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It is legal in Texas.

True, any centerfire rifle is legal to use for deer hunting in Texas.
I'll bet a 223 is NOT legal in New York; the location of the original poster.
Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/14/2006 9:29:47 PM
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Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/14/2006 9:30:27 PM

Originally Posted By HBruns:

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It is legal in Texas.

True, any centerfire rifle is legal to use for deer hunting in Texas.
I'll bet a 223 is NOT legal in New York; the location of the original poster.


That's wrong, as far as I know. You can use an AR15 to hunt as long as you do not have more that 5 rounds in the mag. Unless the law has changed recently.
evileyeswatchin  [Member]
10/15/2006 6:51:39 AM
Still legal for .223............no rimfire/suppressors(lol,NY), or mags over 5 rds.
arteacher  [Member]
10/15/2006 9:48:25 AM
Sierra makes a 65 grain gameking that I load to head shoot wildhogs. A .223 is legal in Texas but I use my 270.
SteelonSteel  [Member]
10/15/2006 12:00:46 PM

Originally Posted By HBruns:

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It is legal in Texas.

True, any centerfire rifle is legal to use for deer hunting in Texas.
I'll bet a 223 is NOT legal in New York; the location of the original poster.


I'll take that bet!!!!

SoS
Hafellafuse  [Member]
10/15/2006 3:40:49 PM

Originally Posted By evileyeswatchin:
Still legal for .223............no rimfire/suppressors(lol,NY), or mags over 5 rds.


Just checked the NYS DEC Hunting and Trapping Regualtions Guide 2006-2007 and evileyes is right. Just as I thought. You can use a .223, centerfire only, 6 rounds or less only (one chambered).

Looks like you guys would have lost that bet.
JJREA  [Member]
10/15/2006 4:03:19 PM
Hey, this thread is relatively calm, compared to ones in the past. Maybe things are looking up!!!
Apprentice  [Member]
10/15/2006 5:09:05 PM
Four rounds of four different .223 loads and four deer down and out in less than 30 yards.

68 grain OTM Black Hills - completely shredding both lungs and heart from broadside at 20 yards. Frag exited

55 grain Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw - 1.5" channel bored through both lungs of large (200lbs) 8pt, range 20 feet. Perfect mushroom recovered under hide of offside. Two ribs broken at .22 cal entrance wound.

64 grain Win PP - neck shot 7 pt approx 90-100 yds. Down at the shot. However, oddly, quarter sized exit wound was just an inch or inch and a half from entrance wound. Neck spinal column not penetrated. Weird. I presume it "bounced" back out.

60 grain Nosler Partition from Black Hills - small buck shot in throat facing me at about 20 yards. Down on impact. Recovered classic Nosler Partition expanded slug about 18" from entrance wound just before diaphragm. First 6" of wound channel was 3-4 inches wide. Helluva wound.

The Nosler is my fav. Massive wound and good penetration.

I hunt them close, on the ground, no running shots, no brush busting. Works great if the hunter/shooter is up to all that.
AJBello  [Member]
10/21/2006 11:31:53 PM
Took a doe this morning with handloaded 70 gr Barnes TSX. Shot was 103 yards. She dropped where she stood, kicked for about 5 seconds and was done. The bullet went in kind of high above the right shoulder, damaged the spine, and went out the other side. The heart was clipped, not sure if it was by the bullet or a bone fragment maybe.


Exit wound:


I did not find any fragments of the bullet anywhere in the chest cavity which makes me think that the bullet did indeed retain most or all of its weight as Barnes claims.
ARCAPTN  [Member]
10/22/2006 12:33:26 AM
Damn...you guys are shooting deer the size of dogs. Why dont you wait for the daddy...or mommy at least??? Sheeeesh....
Schulze  [Team Member]
10/22/2006 12:36:29 AM

Originally Posted By Hafellafuse:

Originally Posted By HBruns:

Originally Posted By AKJEFF:

Originally Posted By HBruns:
There is very little .223 ammo available for deer hunting. Using anything less than a 24 caliber (i.e. 243 Win) is not legal in many states.


It is legal in Texas.

True, any centerfire rifle is legal to use for deer hunting in Texas.
I'll bet a 223 is NOT legal in New York; the location of the original poster.


That's wrong, as far as I know. You can use an AR15 to hunt as long as you do not have more that 5 rounds in the mag. Unless the law has changed recently.


Any centerfire round, any magazine capacity you want in TX. Always been that way.
AJBello  [Member]
10/22/2006 12:37:31 AM

Originally Posted By ARCAPTN:
Damn...you guys are shooting deer the size of dogs. Why dont you wait for the daddy...or mommy at least??? Sheeeesh....


That's a decent size doe for this side of the Cascade mountains here in OR. The Columbian Blacktail deer that we have on the western side of the state don't get huge. Mule deer on the east side of the state are bigger, but I didn't draw my eastern tag this year...
JER  [Member]
10/22/2006 7:03:07 AM
AJ, what twist is your barrel? I wonder if 1/9 is fast enough to stabilize a long-for-weight, lead-free bullet like the TSX.
FMJ  [Team Member]
10/22/2006 11:16:57 AM

Originally Posted By AJBello:
Took a doe this morning with handloaded 70 gr Barnes TSX. Shot was 103 yards. She dropped where she stood, kicked for about 5 seconds and was done. The bullet went in kind of high above the right shoulder, damaged the spine, and went out the other side. The heart was clipped, not sure if it was by the bullet or a bone fragment maybe.
i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/Deer_102106.jpg

Exit wound:
i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/exitwound_102106.jpg

I did not find any fragments of the bullet anywhere in the chest cavity which makes me think that the bullet did indeed retain most or all of its weight as Barnes claims.



Im so glad you know where to place a correct shot

I had a hunting friend who always shot at the Neck