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 Take Down .22 rifles Marlin Papoose vs. Henry Arms Survival 22
B-trash  [Team Member]
9/19/2007 7:54:38 PM
I have a Ruger 22/45 pistol in my BOB for squirrels, ect. but I would like to all a take down .22 rifle to the other BOB.

I like the idea of the Henry rifle that stows in the stock. The Marlin Papoose would work, but it looks as if it would take up alot more room if I used the case.

I HATE guns that are not accurate or reliable. I would like a gun accurate enough to hunt squirrels with. Something that can consistently hit a beer can at 25 yds would work.

I have no experience with either gun. I had a Marlin model 60 about 35 years ago that wasn't very reliable. Haven't shot a Marlin semi auto 22 since then.

Does anyone have any experience with either gun?

Another option would be to get a Ruger 10/22, throw away the stock and barrel and replace both with a folding stock and one of those light weight fiber covered barrels.
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LadyMacBeth  [Member]
9/19/2007 8:39:33 PM
I never had a marlin but was unhappy with the henry, my mk III sgoots so well I don't see the need for a 22 rifle.
PolyTechKID  [Team Member]
9/19/2007 9:04:34 PM
I've handled both of those rifles, not shot them, but handled them, and the marlin is definitely much more stout. The henry feels like a toy, and I've not heard very good reviews about them.

Polytech
JusAdBellum  [Member]
9/19/2007 9:14:17 PM
I had a Marlin Papoose - VERY accurate. It was also sturdy and just felt well balanced.
tgmr05  [Member]
9/19/2007 9:26:05 PM
Having had all three mentioned, I would go with the Marlin papoose. While the 10/22 is very popular, and has a lot of aftermarket products, you will spend a lot more than the marlin to get basically the same concept. The AR-7 type Henry is just not quite in the same league, but is close. It is a neat little item, yet the two I had were not as comfortable to shoot as the marlin, nor as accurate. One of the survival ar-7 types shot fairly well, the other was problematic. I still have the marlin, but neither of the ar-7 type rifles or the 10/22.

The papoose does take up a little more space, but in a configuration that fits better in luggage or packs - at least for me. You can also get 10 rd. magazines for the papoose instead of the stock 7 rounders.

The accuracy of the papoose was much better than I thought it would be. You should have no trouble hitting cans at 25 yards if you can do so with standard marlin or ruger 22's.
B-trash  [Team Member]
9/19/2007 9:35:19 PM
tgmr05,

Thanks, this is what I was looking for.

Does the Papoose have the ability to mount a small scope on it? If so, would there be room in the carry pouch for the gun with the scope?
sandboxmedic  [Team Member]
9/19/2007 10:14:51 PM
The Papoose really doesn't take up any more space, in fact it's probably more compact since it has a slimmer stock. The 16" lightweight barrel unscrews in front of the receiver and you can just stick it in your pack next to the rest of the gun (I carry mine that way when I throw it in my pack). It has Marlin's Microgroove barrel so it's plenty accurate, you just have to get used to the feel with no foregrip. Mine shoots everything I've ever fed it and I generally just hose it out with carb cleaner when I'm done. The receiver is standard Marlin and accepts scopes; I keep a cheapy Tasco I was given in the case with mine.

Having shot the Henry survival rifle, I'd take the Marlin over it any day of the week. The Marlin will float while in it's case if that's important to you. I've seen the older wood stocked ones like mine sell on Gunbroker for around $125. (no affiliation Marlin Papoose)



ETA- the barrel is in a sleeve along the spine of the case, the green pouch has magazines in it. It also comes with a spanner wrench to tighten the barrel which is also in a pouch along the spine (you can barely make out the openings in the picture).
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
9/19/2007 10:22:24 PM
+1 on the Papoose. Nice rifle. Surprisingly accurate. I've got a RWS compact 4x mounted on mine. FIts in the bag with the scope just fine:



MCR  [Member]
9/19/2007 10:31:45 PM
I've had both at one time or another.

The Papoose is a GREAT gun, though a little difficult to clean in the field. It shoots straight, can be scoped, and is very reliable with decent ammo. The only negative is the small magazine size, as Hi-Caps are hard to find. I gave mine away to a friend several years ago, planning on getting another one, but never got around to it.

The Henry version of the AR-7 is an ok gun, but not worth the money they are asking. The plastic barrel with the steel insert is just waiting to be bent. That, and if the shell doesn't eject properly, it gets jabbed into the plastic at the breach. Accuracy- well, not so much. And you can forget about a scope. I think with a better barrel, solid steel ones are about $50, it might be better. Pros are that it packs up smaller and is lighter, and watertight. This is the gun to load up and stash away and forget about it. Not much good for anything else. Mag capacity is small, and most hi-caps are unreliable at best. I got my latest one not too long ago, and with some SERIOUS mods, it's a decent gun. I lathed down the breach a bit and put a stainless washer around the barrel to prevent shells from tearing up the breach. I cut in a feed ramp, polished the firing pin, and extended the ejector a hair and sharpened/widened the extractor. Along with taking down the recoil springs, I also added a higher tension hammer spring to slow the action down a bit.

However, I have an original Armalite (according to them one of the first 100 to be released) and it shoots like a dream. Unfortunately, my great grandfather left it assembled in his truck in Phoenix, AZ for a couple decades and the stock no longer accepts the parts for storage. I could replace the stock, but I figure I'll just keep it locked up and kept away so my kids can plink with it sometime down the road.

l1a1man  [Member]
9/19/2007 10:32:48 PM
Marlin hands down. Everything you hate is the Henry survival rifle. I had 3 diffrent ones. All crap.
stocklx  [Member]
9/20/2007 12:20:04 AM
my first gun my father bought me 17yrs ago...the papoose...it still shots like a champ...
Halffast  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 9:26:35 AM
I have a Papoose and have been very happy with it.

David
glenn_r  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 10:03:02 AM
How's the Marlin's zero change when the barrel is installed/removed?
MrCornbread  [Member]
9/20/2007 10:34:26 AM

Originally Posted By B-trash:
I have a Ruger 22/45 pistol in my BOB for squirrels, ect. but I would like to all a take down .22 rifle to the other BOB.

If you want a tack driver, get another 22/45 and scope it. That way both guns use the same mags.

While a rifle gives more range, in the field I rarely see clear shots at small game at the 75 to 100 yard range. At 50 yards and in a scoped handgun can get'er done.

For me the measure is can it make head shots at 50 yards and the answer is yes.
Forest  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 11:17:28 AM
I've got an AR-7.

It's taken 8 years but the thing is finally somwhat reliable. Accuracy has never been an issue with it - just reliable feeding.

In my case the rifle was used when I got it, so I ended up having to replace parts then lightly chamfer the chamber till it would feed reliably.

IMHO the newer Henry's appear better (built in scope rail), but after handing a Papoose I'd suggest going that route.
kdx300  [Member]
9/20/2007 11:20:06 AM
I ended up buying an M6 Scout because it shoots .22 and 410/45 long colt. Get the Marlin it's a much better gun IMO. I saw one recently at a garage sale with leather case for $120.00, I should have purchased it....
KDX
Bladeswitcher  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 12:16:56 PM

Originally Posted By glenn_r:
How's the Marlin's zero change when the barrel is installed/removed?


It's only a factor with the scope since both the front and rear iron sights are on the barrel. My experience is that the gun keeps zero fairly well. I can't honestly tell you precisely how much it shifts but it's not very much.
pinkmist  [Member]
9/20/2007 4:05:52 PM
I was just going to ask about the m6, but perhaps a single shot is not an option.

Originally Posted By kdx300:
I ended up buying an M6 Scout because it shoots .22 and 410/45 long colt. Get the Marlin it's a much better gun IMO. I saw one recently at a garage sale with leather case for $120.00, I should have purchased it....
KDX
rusteerooster  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 8:58:18 PM
I had one of the little Browning take down 22 semi-autos. great little shooter and compact but a little pricey.
cazador1022  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 9:21:19 PM

Originally Posted By kdx300:
I ended up buying an M6 Scout because it shoots .22 and 410/45 long colt. Get the Marlin it's a much better gun IMO. I saw one recently at a garage sale with leather case for $120.00, I should have purchased it....
KDX


I was going to buy an M6 ....but wait...I would like you to elaborate since experience is the best teacher. What has your experience been like with the M6? Marlin is better in what sense. I just want to know before i buy one or the other.

thanks
Aim4MyHead  [Team Member]
9/20/2007 9:23:42 PM
After seeing a Henry come with a cracked stock in a box from UPS i doubt it could survive much

J
kdx300  [Member]
9/20/2007 10:59:40 PM

Originally Posted By cazador1022:

Originally Posted By kdx300:
I ended up buying an M6 Scout because it shoots .22 and 410/45 long colt. Get the Marlin it's a much better gun IMO. I saw one recently at a garage sale with leather case for $120.00, I should have purchased it....
KDX


I was going to buy an M6 ....but wait...I would like you to elaborate since experience is the best teacher. What has your experience been like with the M6? Marlin is better in what sense. I just want to know before i buy one or the other.

thanks


I love my M6, The biggest problem is finding one. It's a great survival rifle, but it's only single shot. there are a few good reviews online. google the M6 and you will find some good info. The M6 shoots great, lots of ammo options, .22 short, SS, Long, LR, shot, all 410 shells/slugs and 45 Long Colt. basically, you can hunt small through medium-larger game with it... I wouldn't count on taking down a big cat or bear, but deer would be a go. It packs small, and has carry space for extra rounds... Cool little rifle,but hard to find and they are getting pricey $200-350... I'm looking to a second one to purchase. I'd takean M6 scout over both the Marlin and AR-7 anyday.
KDX
ken_mays  [Member]
9/20/2007 11:55:26 PM
I've got a Papoose I bought used several years ago, and have had it out maybe three or four times.

What I recall about it is that it wasn't particularly reliable, but that may have been the ammo I was using. Generally I have heard good things about them.
MCR  [Member]
9/21/2007 12:21:52 AM
Most of the M6 Scouts I have seen lately are chambered in 22 hornet. I'm not familiar with that round at all. Finding one in .22 Short, Long, and Long Rifle is very challenging, at least finding one at a decent price anyway.
155mm  [Member]
9/21/2007 12:44:01 AM
I have a Henry AR-7. I'd say the reviews of it thus far in this thread have been correct. Mine is not reliable, so I would not recommend it.
Spudgunr  [Member]
9/21/2007 7:27:25 AM
You buy one in 22 hornet in the stainless and I'll trade you mine in 22lr (it is parkerized though) and give you $75 (but you'd have to pay shipping and fee to your FFL) if you decide you prefer to go with 22lr instead. I already own a 22 hornet and I think it'd be ideal for me.
Ah1Pilot  [Team Member]
9/21/2007 8:44:43 AM
Go with the Marlin, mine rocks.
Reliable, and accurate
Slacker  [Team Member]
9/21/2007 8:58:10 AM
I'd go with the SA Scout 22/410/45LC. Ammo storage, takedown plus a shotty gun and 45LC!
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