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BozemanMT  [Member]
2/28/2006 12:10:54 PM
Ok, I have had a Dodge ram 2500, I have had a couple Ford F250/F350
Needing a new one, seriously considering a Chevy/GMC

Here are my pros and cons, and am wondering what you all think.
This would be for a 3/4 ton (F250, 2500), Diesel, automatic, long bed, crew cab.

Dodge Ram 2500
pluses: Motor, the cummins rocks and is very quiet. Cheapest price by far. gets best mileage generally.

cons: the transmissions (everyone has automatic trouble), the rear seat isn't very big. Interior is very bland


Ford F250
pluses: Looks the best (ok, my personal opinion). by far the biggest inside, motor/tranny seems to be solid (except for the 6.0 see cons below), the integrated brake control. hauls the most

cons: the 6.0 motor. It definately had/has issues and it's supposed to be replaced next year which means the 6.0 will be an orphan. Terrible turning radius. My current ford is a total lemon which makes me bitter. interior is somewhat old and the seats are not supportive.

Chevy/GMC 2500HD
Pros: duramax/allison. interior seems the most carlike, turning radius is the best, best ride (softest?) quietiest inside and out

cons: hauls the least (although still a ton), most expensive


I'm leaning towards the chevy right now, but I'm willing to be moved.
BTW, these things are outrageously expensive.

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Mr45auto  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 12:21:47 PM
This will seem odd but with fuel prices being what they are I'd lean towards the F250/350 with the new 3 valve V10. I have a first year 99 with the lower powered 2 valve 6.8L and it has been uber reliable. It hasnt needed a single repair of any sort and recently crossed 100,000 miles. The gasser will never get the mileage of the diesel but they are quiet and will tow very respectably. They will never tow a seriously heavy trailer as well as the diesel but for the 5-6000lb trailer I've pulled it has been fine, hardly notice there's a trailer back there.

The 6.0L has had the bugs pretty well ironed out of it, there were some early issues. There is a guy who posts here who works for IH making the powerstroke engines who can fill you in on any details about what was done to fix the engine.

The Ford turning radius was helped out in ...03? when they went to coil springs up front.

Yeah, I'm solidly in the Ford camp. ( formerly a GM guy)
Merlin  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 12:41:25 PM

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
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The 6.0L has had the bugs pretty well ironed out of it, there were some early issues. There is a guy who posts here who works for IH making the powerstroke engines who can fill you in on any details about what was done to fix the engine.

The Ford turning radius was helped out in ...03? when they went to coil springs up front.

Yeah, I'm solidly in the Ford camp. ( formerly a GM guy)



+1. I just bought an '06 6.0L PSD, F-350 SRW. Just changed the oil last Friday at 1080 miles. The 6.0 runs and sounds great. Turning radius is OK, about as good as my '98 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4, I haven't noticed any problems turning at all.

Ford is going to the 6.4L due to new diesel emissions requirements. I think almost all manufacturers are having to redesign their engines to meet this requirement.

Ghostcat used to work at IH, but he still knows what happened and what they did to improve the 6.0l.

Personally, I'd go with the PSD and never look back.

My .02.

Merlin
krazy_karl  [Member]
2/28/2006 1:38:22 PM
I would not get the GM product. We use them at work out in Oregon's Great Outback and the newer GM products have terrible ground clearance. In fact one of the trucks has been sent to the shop twice for tranny problems after getting high centered, a second truck lost its 4wd, and the truck that I drive is constantly bottoming out and dragging through the rocks. The dodge and fords don't have the same issues. I woulg get the Dodge simply because of the CTD.

Good luck.
Merlin  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 7:43:11 PM
One more piece of info for you:

There are a total of 5 new truck buyers in my 4x4 club:

- 2 bought F-350 dually's, 6.0L diesels
- 1 bought F-350 SRW (your's truly) with 6.0Ldiesel
- 2 bought Dodge 3500 SRW's (one on order, hasn't arrived yet) both with the CTD.

Common theme: All are manual transmissions and manual 4x4. All except the one Dodge had to be ordered to get the manuals.

Good luck.

Merlin
WIZZO_ARAKM14  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 7:43:36 PM
I'd get the Chevy 2500HD w/ Duramax and Allison tranny.

The HD's seem to sit up higher than the regular 2500's.

WIZZO
deej86  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 9:38:31 PM

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:
I'd get the Chevy 2500HD w/ Duramax and Allison tranny.

The HD's seem to sit up higher than the regular 2500's.

WIZZO


My dad's co-worker has a company GMC 2500HD with the 6.0L V8. No problems that I have heard of.

I would imagine with the different springs that it would sit higher.
GaryM  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 10:40:22 PM
I have just over 15k on my 2005 f250 supercab 4wd. The V10 sucks gas to the tune of about 10.5mpg for me. Once I reach 11.5... woo hoo! But I do like the way it looks and rides. The newer ones turn much sharper than the older ones (Coil spring front ends were new in 2005) and have a lot more power. The truck has been quite nice to me.
A buddy of mine has an older dodge 3/4 4x4 w/diesel. He likes his truck quite a bit also and it has been very reliable for him.
wildearp  [Team Member]
2/28/2006 10:44:41 PM
Dodge + Cummins + manual tranny.

Peterbilt can use a Cummins and an Allision. I sure as hell wish Dodge could too.
BozemanMT  [Member]
2/28/2006 11:07:54 PM
Update
oh, and I guess I didn't mention this, all my trucks have been manuals. I got married since the last truck, she can drive a stick but doesn't like it. This one has to be an auto.

Anyway, we went comparison shopping, all 3 dealers are within a couple miles of each other.
We did the chevy last night, but we would end up at that one again to back to back to back.
well equipped, but not leather, 3/4 ton, crew cab, longbed, automatic, 4x4.
Started with the Ford Dealer (and mind you I currently have a F350 PSD, CC, Longbed, 6spd manual)
Completely unimpressed. Nice motor, but loudest, the interior had nothing special, the seats weren't comfortable and it was more expensive than the chevy. Had utterly no interesting features. Was a truck, plain jane inside (and this was an XLT) and big money (even the "real" price). about $43k out the door

Went across the street to the Dodge Dealer, drove around a Big Horn Edition, nice truck, smaller inside than all 3, but quieter than the Ford, nicer inside than the Ford, drove better than the ford, the transmission isn't in the same class as either the ford or the chevy (and they don't back it, no extra warranty, only 3/36). But lots cheaper, drove nice. about $36k out the door.

Then went back to the Chevy dealer, sat in a truck again without leather this time. Lots of little features, auto-dual zone climate control (neither of the other two had that, it sounds stupid but once you get used to it). The allison 6spd is amazing, you barely feel it shift. Lots more room for the driver, better seats, cooler features. And this one was pretty darn loaded, just about everything. $41k out the door.

Decision?
We bought the Chevy, it's being delivered and we'll have it next monday. Besides the fact that I'm paying 40k for a TRUCK, it was very interesting. Ford is in deep trouble. IT was by far the least interesting truck and least comfortable. The motor has "issues", but the tranny was pretty good, but a plain jane truck like this was just weak. The Dodge at more than 5k cheaper had way more features and comforts while being able to tow/haul almost the same. And I'm on my 2nd Ford, so I"m not slamming here.
The Dodge was a deal. 36k for a well equiped cummins? smoking, way cheaper than the rest. It was close. if i was looking for a manual, it wouldn't even be an issue.
The chevy/gmc is very nice inside and it drives as well as any 6k lb truck could. It doesn't haul or tow as much as the Dodge or the Ford, but it's still 1000's of lbs above what I tow. and that motor isn't going to notice. the 100k mile warranty on the motor and the transmission was a big selling point. (and hurt the Dodge).
Anyway, I think they were all fine trucks, but the Ford is way overpriced.
Mr45auto  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 12:07:04 AM
$43K Youch! I think your dealer tossed a sale with his prices.
WIZZO_ARAKM14  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 12:23:44 AM
Well, when you get the truck, POST PICS!!!

I'm a sucker for Chevy pr0n

WIZZO
CavVet  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 12:34:37 AM



FINALLY.........


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Skweeker  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 1:19:46 AM
Your new Chevy diesel does have the SLA suspension in the front does it not???

If so, please don't try to load it to the same capacity as your Ford.

Carry on.
DBerk  [Member]
3/1/2006 1:46:17 AM
Post pics when you get just like Wizzo said....

And In my parents F-250 it is VERY quite on the interior its a Diesel If anything I would buy a truck and want to HEAR the engine I just bought Jeez
shootemup  [Member]
3/1/2006 5:54:29 AM

Originally Posted By Skweeker:
Your new Chevy diesel does have the SLA suspension in the front does it not???

If so, please don't try to load it to the same capacity as your Ford.

Carry on.



Yep, idependant front suspension with the least ground clearance.

For thoses that think the problems are limited to just Fords, look at the other forums. THe other two are having just as many problems.

I love my 05 F250 with the 6.0
BozemanMT  [Member]
3/1/2006 7:29:57 AM

Originally Posted By Skweeker:
Your new Chevy diesel does have the SLA suspension in the front does it not???

If so, please don't try to load it to the same capacity as your Ford.

Carry on.



No argument, both the Ford and the Dodge carry and haul more. But c'mon, we're talking piddly stuff here. The chevy hauls like 3k lbs, and the Ford hauls like 3500 lbs. For 99% of my work, I'm not putting 3000 lbs worth of stuff in teh back and I really never have. (95 Dodge Ram, 03 Ford F250, 02 Ford F350)
And the Ford hauls more, but the Chevy is rated at 12,000 lbs, more than my 03 F250 (V10)
and the F250 didn't struggle at all.
Unless you are hauling 15,000 lbs all the time, it's overkill. And 99% of MY driving isn't hauling, it's driving and hauling some. and I want to be comfortable.
The ford is way overpriced and it was pretty disappointing as a Ford guy.
Mr45auto  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 10:17:33 AM
I've personally put in excess of 4200lbs in the bed of my F350. It was the best vehicle purchase I've ever made. I paid $19K for it used and have put over 60,000 miles on it myself. Completely trouble free. The only minor disappointment was that I warped the front brake rotors when I was overdriving the truck a bit. Dang things got a bit hot, you could smell em cooking.
HI5-0  [Member]
3/1/2006 4:48:54 PM
Picked up my new '06 GMC 2500HD from the docks yesterday

4x4, Crew cab, Allison 6sp & Duramax all for under 40K delivered to me in the middle of the Pacific. Stupid local dealer here is selling these for 52K

I drive a V10 Excursion for work and it sucks gas big time (10mpg) but turns really good.

All the owners I've met say I'm going to be pleased with the Duramax. It has the most hp and torque at this time over Ford & Dodge. Time will tell.

Enjoy your new ride.

barry
DeadSled  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 6:05:42 PM
cummins
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 6:18:22 PM
Dude, I don't mean to be an ass, but you bought a full sized truck with only one solid axle!
u-baddog  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 6:24:54 PM
tag
Waldo0506  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 6:25:18 PM
I would never drive a dura-jap diesel.
Skweeker  [Team Member]
3/1/2006 7:16:59 PM

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Dude, I don't mean to be an ass, but you bought a full sized truck with only one solid axle!



Yup, see my previous post
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